Jim Murphy

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Wednesday 23 July, 2008

Karadzic arrest

I was really pleased to hear the news that Radovan Karadzic has been arrested in Serbia.  Karadzic has blood on his hands and the world is a better place now that he has been detained.  He organised the murder of thousands of innocent people in a vile campaign of ethnic cleansing.  We should congratulate the Serbian government for this achievement.  Having seen first hand the efforts to rebuild Bosnia after the terrible three way civil war, I think that this is an important step.

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If his "cell" is anything like Milosevic's, I'm sure he won't mind being on trial. In all seriousness, it's digusting that Europe's taxpayers have to pay for these evil psychopaths to live in five star accomodation while they spend their remaining years making a mockery of justice in the ICC.

Posted by Justin on July 23, 2008 at 08:24 PM BST #

Justin, are you happy that people like war-treasurer Gordon Brown are wandering about at the expense of British taxpayers?

Posted by Stu on July 26, 2008 at 11:31 AM BST #

Stu, Yes I am.

Posted by Justin on July 27, 2008 at 09:09 PM BST #

No, the Bosnian War was not a three-way civil war. It was a genocidal war of aggression by Serbia and Serbia's allies in Republika Srpska aimed at establishing an ethnically homogeneous entity from the Drina Valley, through the Posovina and connecting up with the Bosnian and Croatian Krajina. Locally, in Herzegovina in particular, there was conflict between the Croats and Bosniaks, but essentially this was a war of secession promoted in the interests of an outside aggressor. I'm very surprised to hear this assessment from you.

Posted by Owen on July 28, 2008 at 03:46 PM BST #

Owen, while your comments do have some merit, I agree with Jim Murphy's assessment that the war in Bosnia was a 'three way' conflict. The former Yugoslavia one was of the most ethnically homogeneous countries in Europe and it was very common for Serbs, Bosniaks and Croats to live together in same city, town or village. I doubt the relatives of the 8, 000 Bosniak men and boys who were brutally slaughtered at the hands of the Serbian Army in Srebrenica would agree with your assessment that the Serbs were trying to create an ethnically homogenous Republika Srpska, given that Srebrenica is in Bosnia or the Serb shelling of the Sarajevo, which was the longest siege in modern warfare and 12,000 people lost their lives. It is better to have Karadzic in the hands of The Hague than free in Belgrade. Peace is not just the absence of conflict; it is the presence of justice and his arrest will help close and dark and brutal chapter in Europe’s history.

Posted by Nick on July 30, 2008 at 09:58 AM BST #

It is astounding that you refer to the war in Bosnia-Herzegowina 1992-1995 as a Civil War, while during this time Bosnia-Herzegowina as an UN member was in fact victim of the Serbian-Montenegro aggression. Slobodan Milosevic`s regime is to be held responsible for supporting Bosnian Serbs and their troops during their three year battle against Bosnia. The crimes in Bosnia-Herzegovina that began and were carried out under the concept of “Greater Serbia” were able to make 100,000 civilians victims, in which 30,000 were placed in Serbian concentration camps. Over 20,000 women were raped, around 2.2 billion people displaced, and hundreds of villages destroyed. Under the command of the Serbian leaders Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic the mass murders of at least 8, 373 Bosnian boys and men were committed after the Fall of Srebrenica on 11 July 1995. The massacres were carried out through mass shootings in numerous communities and cities in Northern, Western, and Eastern Bosnia Posavina, area of Prijedor, and Podrinje. Historic Islamic artefacts, pieces of catholic culture, and around 1,300 Mosques and 500 Catholic churches were completely destroyed. The International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia in The Hague and the International Court of Justice came to the verdict that genocide had begun in Srebrenica. It is not a matter of debate that crimes are committed on every side during a time of war; however those who are perpetrators and those who fight to defend themselves must be differentiated. The International community imposed a weapons embargo not over Milosevic, but rather over Bosnia-Herzegowina, while the victims in Bosnia themselves were abandoned. The crimes committed in revenge by members of the Bosnian Army were individually committed, and not carried out systematically or under hierarchical command. Karadzic currently sits in The Hague, but it is Mladic who carried out these obscene murders. Even with the arrest of Karadzic the issues of Bosnia-Herzegowina are far from being resolved. The International community and the EU must see to it that Bosnia-Herzegowina is admitted into the EU, and that the partition in the country is brought to an end. Jasna

Posted by Jasna on July 30, 2008 at 03:55 PM BST #

Looking back on my previous comments, I confess I made errors. I did not take into account the Serb's desire to create a 'Greater Serbia', which essentially covered most of the former Yugoslavia. I also did not take into account that Bosnia was a recognised country by the UN, admitted in May 1992, and Serb troops were committing genocide in a foreign country, whether they recognised Bosnia formally or not. However you feel about the situation, the international community acted within international law, when NATO bombed in 1995 in an effort to stem the bloodshed and slaughter of innocent people, whose only crime was being a certain ethnicity. This is the heart of the matter; the EU failed to act and did not act with Iraq. The EU must act, and ensure Bosnia is admitted as a member state, war criminals must be brought to justice, I believe the carrot is better than the stick in international cooperation, this the EU can do and should do more of.

Posted by Nick on July 31, 2008 at 11:55 AM BST #

Nick, glad we agree. The massacre at Srebrenica and the elimination of Zepa were part of the final push to get rid of the three non-Serb enclaves left in the Drina Valley after the ethnic cleansing of spring 1992. Karadzic acknowledged that the aim was to remove the boundary between Bosnia and Serbia that ran along the Drina river. When the Srebrenica survivors go back to Potocari, to the memorial, they find that the Republika Srpska police responsible for security there include men they recognise as participants in the genocide. On July 16 the 13th anniversary of the event RS police stopped a group of the Mothers of Srebrenica laying flowers at the warehouse in Kravica where 1000-1500 prisoners were locked up then shot, machine-gunned and hand-grenaded. They even claimed that the act of laying flowers was provocation. Karadzic is in The Hague, Mladic is in Belgrade, but there are thousands of individuals identified by name who took part in the massacre who are still at liberty in RS, including hundreds in the police, local government and the legal system. Until RS is decriminalised the expulsees are not going to feel safe returning and Karadzic's achievement will not be overturned.

Posted by Owen on July 31, 2008 at 05:41 PM BST #

Karadzic's friends in Republika Srpska - "the smaller fish" - are still causing trouble. Branko Todorovic, President of the RS Helsinki Committee, has criticised the failure of the RS prosecution service in Bijeljina to open a single war crimes investigation since the end of the war. Because of its strategic location Bijeljina was one of the first places in Bosnia to be ethnically cleansed in 1992. Ten days ago he received a death threat. Helsinki Committee staff have had death threats before and this one they consider to be a serious one. Please use the Foreign Office's good offices to convince RS officials and RS's friends and allies elsewhere that the UK considers a failure to act effectively against those threating violence against human rights defenders such as Mr Todorovic to be a breach of the provisions of the Dayton Agreement. And isn't it time to be reviewing the Dayton Agreement and how well its provisions are being applied on the ground?

Posted by Owen on August 26, 2008 at 02:42 PM BST #

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