Jim Murphy

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Tuesday 19 August, 2008

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I agree with Robert who commented on this blog on 17 August - he's right to question whether punishing "ordinary folk" in Russia through imposing visa restrictions is really an effective and logical response to Russia's deplorable actions in the last 2 weeks. The UK's visa policy is always to focus this kind of action on the people responsible rather than the general public - that's why we targetted tightened visa restrictions at Russian officials only in our disagreement over Litvinenko, and why we did not change our visa policy towards ordinary Russians then and why we won't change it now. But we do need to send clear messages to Russia about their behaviour.  As the Foreign Secretary said today in his article in the Times we can't disengage.  The right response is hard-headed engagement to make sure that Russia understands the consequences of its actions. As Russia has breached international norms, the international community needs to respond as one.  The UK has been intensively engaged in international negotiations, including through the EU, G7 OSCE, NATO and the UN, to ensure an appropriate, unified response.

I regret to say that even now the situation on the ground throughout Georgia remains fluid and fragile. Although the ceasefire is largely continuing to hold there are some reports of continuing violence and this must stop immediately. And there are still Russian forces well beyond Abkhazia and South Ossetia. We welcomed the Russian statement that withdrawal was beginning but there is no sign whatsoever of this happening on the ground. We now we need to see evidence on the ground that Russia is living up to the commitments it has made.

The Foreign Secretary has been in Brussels again today, this time for a meeting of the Foreign Ministers of NATO countries.  Some of you will have seen that he has been making these points strongly.  The UK continues to offer Georgia both practical and political support in the short term - for example through sending immediate humanitarian aid - and longer term as they continue with their reform processes. The Foreign Secretary is right now flying to Tbilisi to discuss with partners there what we can do to help, and to see the situation on the ground for himself.

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Please ask Putin/Medvedev why Russia was making accusations of genocide against Georgia at the time of their advance into South Ossetia when Human Rights Watch now report that the number of people killed in the Georgian assault on Tskhinvali in an onslaught that seems to have paid little heed to the vulnerability of the civilian population is to be measured in the dozens rather than thousands. And has anyone ever been held to account for the slaughter of civilians by Russian forces in the taking of Grozny?

Posted by Owen on August 20, 2008 at 12:42 AM BST #

How have Russia "breached international norms". The actions they followed were in direct response to the attack against their peacekeepers and citizens on August 7th. The Georgians shelled and bombed Tskhinvali and drove thousands out of South Ossetia. What else was Russia to do but to intervene with their military. The west would not have intervened, especially against a western puppet like Saaskashvili. And why should Russia leave Georgia at the command of the UN, EU, UK or US? Should Russia be naive enough to trust that Saaskashvili won't try another cowardly attack. Personally the UK government is acting irresponsibliy. Instead of trying to get Russia and Georgia to agree they are following the US line and stirring it all up.

Posted by Stu on August 22, 2008 at 03:13 PM BST #

To Owen, why are you taking so much stock on the opinion of Human Rights Watch? I don't know what motivates this organisation but I don't think it is human rights. Don't believe everything you read. As for Grozny, a terrible event but there was little critism from the Blairites because the west and Russia were pals in the phoney war on terror. What about Falluja, a operation in Iraq that every bit as terrible as Grozny, in fact the tactics may have been modeled on Grozny. Britain helped in that terrible operation. The UK and US seems to be wanting confrontation with Russia, and rational people worldwide need to unite to stop them. Stop helping them Owen.

Posted by Robert on August 22, 2008 at 03:45 PM BST #

Well Russia has now recognised the two break away regions as independent, this was obviously going to happen and there is nothing the west can do about it. The only positive way forward will be for the EU to recognize those two countries independence in exchange for Russia accepting Kosovos independence. Russia is not the only country to blame for the situation we are in now.

Posted by Simon on August 26, 2008 at 12:18 PM BST #

OK, Robert, a coherent argument as to why human rights doesn't motivate Human Rights Watch, please. Remind me what they had to say about Grozny? And what did they have to say about Falluja? I'm helping the UK and US to pursue confrontation with Russia because I object to Russia's cynical use of accusations of genocide to pursue territorial expansionism? Where are you coming from? Do you only see problems if they come from one side of the compass?

Posted by Owen on August 26, 2008 at 02:18 PM BST #

How two faced can this government be. we condemn Russia for recognising South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Did we not do the same for Kosovo. So come on show Russia the right way to do things. Tell Kosovo we do not recognise it as a Independent state, and Serbia they can take it back. Georgians started this. Now we and the USA are trying to start another cold war. Not Russia.

Posted by Ian on August 28, 2008 at 12:06 PM BST #

To reassert our strong and continued support for both Georgia's sovereignty and Russia's sovereignity within their respective and respectfully internationally recognized borders and underline our respect and support for both democratic and legitimate governments as we pursue a peaceful, durable solution to this conflict, I think everyone concerned should think about "autonomy" first as a way to reduce the costs and burdens associated with calls for the "independence" of these two regions. What's wrong with "autonomy"? In my book it's about responsible and accountable self-management, rather than management by others.Why can't all the governments concerned help the peoples of these regions develop a better understanding of how they could live peacefully and propserously together, dareIsay working in partnership, regardless of national identity or union affiliation or belief or passport? Of course this might boil down to the equivalent of "he who pays the taxman, calls the tune?"

Posted by Mrs.Josephine Hyde-Hartley on September 01, 2008 at 12:55 AM BST #

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