David Miliband

Foreign Secretary

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Monday 15 September, 2008

Ireland: 13 weeks on

Last Wednesday’s publication of the Irish government (but independently conducted) survey of Irish opinion on the Lisbon Treaty provided a good backdrop to my visit on Thursday, to meet Ministers, businessmen and NGOs, and to talk with a wide spectrum of Dublin opinion at their Mansion House

The results in the polling show higher than average support for the EU, more people saying they did not know the contents of the Treaty (42% of No Votes), and a lot of concern about national issues like abortion and conscription.  The basics of the situation have not changed: if the Irish do not pass the Treaty it does not become law; it is up to the Irish what to do next; five other countries are still in the process of ratification; and European leaders will discuss next steps following a report from the Irish Prime Minister in October.

But the striking thing about the maturing debate in Dublin is that fundamental issues about Ireland and its future as well as Europe and its future are emerging.  There will be debates in a new parliamentary committee.  But Ireland is facing the challenge of global economic uncertainty as an open economy – like the UK.  And the Irish want a European Union that supports Irish development.  The opportunity that arises is to update Ireland’s vision of its own future and Europe’s.

For the UK, that strengthens the core argument for a global European role – on issues like energy, security and defence, climate change and trade.  This is not an alternative to internal policy reform – on the single market or the budget.   It’s an essential counterpart of the global vision.

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David, stop pouring your smarm and oil onto this matter. The fact is that Eire voted "No" to the treaty of Lisbon. Whatever happened to if even one state said "No" then this treaty would be dead? Europe will get the result it wants by keeping on asking the dissenting voters to to vote until they get the "right" answer e.g. Nice and Maastricht treaties. Are politicians breaking the rules that they made? That doesn't sound much like democracy to me. As for the report you linked to, strangely enough it is a very one-sided viewpoint from the spurned "Yes" camp. How about a link to some of the literature from the "No" camp? Or is balanced debate not acceptable to politicians either? Let the Irish be. They, at least, had the chance to vote on this travesty of legislation. By the way; how did the EU audit go? Not signed of for the fourteenth year in a row? Try putting some of your efforts into getting rid of corruption in the EU instead of bullying Eire.

Posted by Paul Everest on September 15, 2008 at 05:42 PM BST #

Interesting. This is a rational look at the Irish reasons for saying No.br/br/ But I think you need to consider sometimes virulent debate in the UK about the poor decision-making of the current government, the abundance of talked about but un-addressed problems - for example:br/ * global warming, br/ * the need for carbon-free energy, br / * pollution, br/ * over-fishingbr/ * wider gap between rich and poor, br/ * the indifference of the corporate world to the damage it does to people and planet.br/br/ The EU does not have answers to any of this. It's still part of the current political game that we know doesn't actually work.br/br/ We need politicians and politics and institutions that move onto a new level - Obama's convention speech shows a politician with vision who at least talks about the issues. And Tom Friedman's latest book lays it on the line where our leaders have let us down. br/br/ An interesting sentence from Tom b"You can't call something a revolution when the maximum changes that are political feasible still fall well short of the minumum meeded to start making even a dent in the problem."/bbr/br/ When the EU delivers concrete answers to the deep-rooted problems of people in the street, we'll no doubt vote for the extension of its powers.br/br/

Posted by Mike Bennett on September 15, 2008 at 06:18 PM BST #

Ireland can still be part of Europe even if they don't sign up to Lisbon Treaty. Even a Ireland out of the EU would still be part of europe because trade and commerse across borders wouldn't cease to exist. Norway for example has strong bilateral agreements with the EU and they are not part of the EU. And Norway is a strong independent nation with a independent foreign policy, something Britain lacks. The same would apply to a confident Ireland with it's own unique history and culture. Britain too could opt out of the European Union and simply renegotiate it's political and economic relationship with the rest of Europe.

Posted by Stu on September 16, 2008 at 12:50 PM BST #

Ha ha, good on you Paul!

Posted by Duncan Bloor on September 17, 2008 at 04:31 PM BST #

i can't believe there are still people out there who believe Britain should/can be taken back out of the E.U. Get real everyone, do you really think Scotland would just meekly submit to a group of English right wingers turning their lives and economy upside down like that? and as for Wales, forget it, they're the most pro europe part of this country, isn't going to happen. haven't got a clue about Northern Ireland but my guess would be: same deal. you've all got your heads up your i'm sure the word wouldn't be allowed on our terribly nice foreign secretaries site, so use imagination. the only thing this would result in is the break up of this union, our british union. but hey, i'm sure the russians would be beside themselves with glee, anticipating the hours of fun they can have with a cast out, solitary little england.

Posted by sarah smith on September 18, 2008 at 05:33 PM BST #

What the debate in Ireland around the EU requires is re-definition of what the EU is about for Ireland. A clear statement of what the EU can do and what it cannot. The stakes are to high to have a referendum on a simple in or out format.

Posted by shane on September 19, 2008 at 05:27 PM BST #

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