Rob Macaire

High Commissioner to Kenya

FCO Logo
Thursday 19 March, 2009

UK and Kenya, and impunity

I am delighted that there has been so much response to this new blog.  I wish there was space to come back on every point, and will try to address as many as I can over the coming weeks.  But here are a couple of quick responses for now. 

1.  Hassan talks about where UK strategic interests stop and concerns about Kenya start.  I think that's only an issue when those two collide.  Most of the time, they don't.  What do we want to see in Kenya?  We'd like the country to be more prosperous and stable, fairer, and with less poverty.  That means less corruption, better governance.  Because all of those things will make Kenya a better partner for Britain across the board - whether it's trade and investment, dealing with regional crises, dealing with transnational problems like crime and terrorism, or meeting the Millenium Development Goals.  So if you think about it, what we want lines up pretty well with what wananchi want to see. 

2.  A lot of the comments people have posted are about impunity in one way or another.  My point about justice for the post election violence was not meant to be critical of the ICC - the UK has been a strong supporter of the ICC ever since it was first set up.  And if it investigates crimes in Kenya, we'll back that fully.  My point was just that if Kenya turns its back on the opportunity to set up the sort of tribunal recommended by the Waki Commission (with international judges, international prosecutors and investigators, etc) then it will be missing out on probably the best chance to hold people accountable for their crimes.   That outside input into the tribunal would be necessary to remove the fears people have that it would be manipulated.   But it would also help re-build confidence that justice can be done here, not just in the Hague. That's what Kofi Annan, the Waki Commission, and a lot of ordinary Kenyans feel too.  But this has to be a decision for Kenyans to take.  More broadly, we're doing what we can to help Kenya tackle impunity on issues like corruption.  One way we do this is to exclude from our country senior individuals who have been strongly linked with corruption cases, even if they have not been successfully prosecuted.  I saw that my colleague Michael Ranneberger's announcement yesterday of such a visa ban got a lot of attention.  Most people I meet say this sort of action is effective and welcome and that we should do more of it (we already do it quite a lot).  What do you think?

  • Share this with:
Comments:

Your Excellency, the visa bans by your government and that of the USA clearly do little to deter corruption. That the UK's Serious Fraud Office recently dropped its investigations into Kenya's mega-corruption cases on the grounds of Kenya governments lack of interest in the matter is a manifestation of your governments skewed sense of justice. The ordinary Kenyan who looks up to what I would call "international justice" feels cheated. They expected asset freezes or outright seizures. Remove the kid gloves, Mr Ambassador.

Posted by Mucemi Mwangi on March 19, 2009 at 05:17 PM EAT #

My comment is a national issue, it's about unemployment and the contributing factor is corruption and bribery.Recruitments are underway but most of us wont be lucky for the D.O.D jobs.The activity is advertised and carried out National wide to "blindfold" us, the fact remains they already have the recruits. My cry is for the poor where do they get money to bribe or prominent figures to secure employment for their children, is there democracy ?

Posted by Esther n on March 20, 2009 at 09:12 AM EAT #

Britain has been one of the foremost development partners to Kenya and I must definitely thank you for the co-operation you have extended to Kenya. I also want you to follow the example set by Michael Ranneberger: deny British visas to any minister in Kenya of whom you have evidence that he is involved in corruption and violence. The corrupt ministers should not go scot-free after looting public coffers of money which should be spent on development projects. The global economy is on recession and our economy is still reeling from the effects of the post-election violence early last year and these people have the audacity to steal public funds. This situation is horrible: Kenyatta university went on strike for what students claim to be lack of exam fees, people are dying of hunger in various part of the country and the list goes on. COMMISSIONER MACAIRE add fuel to this fight against impune ministers

Posted by Eric Thige on March 20, 2009 at 11:28 AM EAT #

your excellency i want to bring in to your attention the hopelessnes of which we as youth of this country have been subjected into by our leaders i want to give you one example concerning our two principals of our grand coalition as you may recall they recently launched waht is called the youth employment marshal plan of which is just but oneorther execuse hoodwinking the youth to believe that something is being done for them

Posted by issa mwiti on March 20, 2009 at 11:43 AM EAT #

Since our leaders do not want to act on corruption, then a visa ban is the only tool left to ensure these leaders think twice before looting. During the post-election violence, it was this threat that made the politicians come together and negotiate. This shows you how powerful this ban is. Issue the ban to anyone named in scandals and their associates. If they think they are innocent, then let the prove so. And finally once someone is banned from visiting the UK please publish their name or "leak" it to the press so we Kenyans can know.

Posted by Sally Wahome on March 20, 2009 at 11:24 PM EAT #

My point here is after loking into the blue mooded commets of some of our learned people...Look we should stop playing the blame game or the mud slinging and must look with generosity towards the helping hands. Most of the developing countrymen always feel cheated in one way or the other and start cursing the Developed ones whether it be the U.K. or the U.S. We should realise the fault that lies within rather than rebuking the Helping Hands.But as the saying goes..."We love giving advices in Buckets but rather receive them in glasses."

Posted by Hari Om Dahiya on March 21, 2009 at 04:47 PM EAT #

In reply to Mucemi, I can't let talk of 'kid gloves' go by unchallenged. The reason that the Serious Fraud Office announced it was pulling the plug on the Anglo Leasing Investigations was to put a spotlight on the need for Kenyan cooperation if those investigations are to get anywhere. That's why I held a press conference and went on TV about it. British police mounted an operation last year involving hundreds of policemen raiding properties across the UK simultaneously, to seize documents and gather evidence in these cases. Hardly kid gloves. But they can't get any further until the Kenyan system is able to cooperate and allow information to be shared. I'm glad to say that the Attorney General got back in touch with the Serious Fraud Office rapidly after that, and in fact I went in to see him again two days ago to follow up - I'm hopeful this will now move forward. I also raised with the AG the fact that the UK has been able to freeze over 60million pounds worth of assets from corruption cases in Nigeria and other countries - proving that we could do it for Kenyan assets too if the government could give us the necessary names and details. We want to see prosecutions in the Anglo Leasing cases. That's what Kenyans should be pressing their government for, and not accepting excuses that hide behind court rulings or lack of powers.

Posted by Rob Macaire on March 23, 2009 at 11:06 AM EAT #

Your Excellency, my point precisely! Your government is waiting for co-operation from a government that has for over a decade consistently stonewalled on the issue of systemic corruption. When you say "it is an issue Kenyans should be pressing their government on" it is implicit that our government is reluctant. It brings to question the rules of engagement in international diplomacy. Must Kenya go to the dogs as has Mugabe's Zimbabwe or risk the perils of civil uprising as in Madagascar now all in the name of international community respecting our sovereignty?

Posted by Mucemi Mwangi on March 23, 2009 at 01:59 PM EAT #

First of all, aren't you perpetuating the idea of terrorism by denying sovereign countries to make their own choices on their own terms??? If you really had good intentions for Africa, then why is there still hunger and strife? Isn't it true that most of the civil wars were created by your previous regimes as a way of distablising local governments in order to consolidate your power over them? How do you explain a continent with the potential to feed the world ten times over, but women & children still starve to death, while brothers & fathers fight for their freedom... Personally, i think you and the Pope have a lot in common. You keep people at a position of not being able to help themselves, so that you can feel absolved. Knowing that you did your part... A terrorist is just someone who has stood up against your oppressive ways. A person who has no other choice. You are the elusive Osama that you claim to chase...

Posted by Militant on March 24, 2009 at 02:48 AM EAT #

Reply to Mr/Miss. Militant, Sovereign states have the right to make their own choices, however; these choices should not be against the International Law and Conventions to which these sovereign states are signatories. A terrorist is not the one who stands up against opressive ways [as you say] but it is he/she who kill innocent civilians to further a political end or to 'liberate his people'. It is not true that terrorists do not have choices. It is a pretext to commit atrocities and justify them. There are alternatives to killing innocent people... there will be always alternatives...it is what a man choose according to his morals.

Posted by Muhanad Seloom on March 24, 2009 at 07:51 PM EAT #

Your Excellency, I suppose you will be back home for the Ambassadors meeting next week. Kenya has a very significant immigrant community in the UK, a majority of whom live and work illegally. Remittances from Kenyans in the diaspora, much of it from the UK, arguably constitutes the largest source of foreign exchange inflows into the country. The global recession has already started costing British jobs and it can be expected that there may be a backlash against migrant workers and perhaps precipitate increased deportations. In the longer term is it in Britain's interest to undermine economically precarious states like Kenya by taking away their lifelines, illegitimate as they might be?

Posted by Mucemi Mwangi on March 25, 2009 at 07:02 PM EAT #

Yes, i agree. There are alternatives. But what do you tell the poor children in Dar Fur, who wake to gun fire, and go to sleep, with the sounds of their mothers being assaulted? Will you try explaining justice to them? What about all the civilians who have lost their lives in Iraq, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Georgia...? Where was International Law when Rwandans were being killed?? Definitely not in Somalia or South Sudan. So why the sudden interest in Kenya? What is it that your government wants? It definitely isn't humanitarian. Would it be a safe statement to say, that if the West wanted to end global poverty and hunger, they would, but i guess it's not in your best interests. You'll loose a very valuable bargaining chip, human suffrage... As for alternatives, how about the West actually changes it's approach towards 3rd world countries. Stop blackmailing leaders. Stop deciding who will be our leaders. Stop using underhanded ways to kill our economies or keep them stagnant. I do not condone the arbitrary killing of innocent people, but i do understand their plight. It's hard to sell the idea of democracy and justice to a sick, hungry and dying person...

Posted by Militant on March 25, 2009 at 10:41 PM EAT #

Your Exellency, thank you for the blog! On the issue of corruption and protection of whistleblowers in Kenya: I used to be a civil servant but was dismissed after I refused be initiated into the vice and wrote to the then PS, Internal Security, about it. I used to work in one of the most corrupt departments, Government Press,Office of the President. This dept is a den of frausters in the govt and all those who refuse to act in concert are chucked out as is my case. I got my marching orders in 2005 June and I've appealed to no avail. I wrote to the Office of the Prime Minister but no response has been forthcoming; I have also written to the Standing Committee on Public Complaints but I also fear that not much will come from that direction. Meanwhile my family and I continue to suffer since I am the sole breadwinner. I wish to go to court over this matter but I cannet afford legal fees! What help does your govt offer to pple like me? Alternatively what is your advice Your Exellency?

Posted by Oriri J O on March 26, 2009 at 11:48 AM EAT #

Thanks for the Forum. I am the Chairman of 1400 plus strong British Alumni Association of Kenya. We believe that we have a role to play in enhancing Kenya - British cultural exchange. We have tried to engage with the British Council as well as the British High Commision in Kenya without success. The standard response is that there is no budget for Alumni Affairs, yet we are not seeking for any financial assistance. We merely seek to look at ways we can work together. Infact, at the moment, we are getting more help from the British council and the High Commision in Uganda who are a bit more enthusiastic about Alumni Affairs than their Kenyan Counterparts. The question is, is this a deliberate strategy by the British High Commision in Kenya? Thanks again for this forum and i on behalf of the BAAK wish you a successfull tour in Kenya.

Posted by Larry on March 27, 2009 at 08:54 PM EAT #

I would like to know more of the process in which the decision is made to deny a political figure a visa. If attempts are made to change the politicians in question and lead them to denounce and rectify their errors publically without success then by all means deny their visa as a last result. But denying a visa to an elected member of government will alienate large groups of voters and create tension between Kenya and Britain and then Kenyan and Kenyan. My fear is being realised as I read more and more comments and this site and others, people in Africa are no longer willing to accept that developed countries have no hidden agendas in Africa’s wealth. The real problem occurs when super powers compete for trade in Africa usually the country and its citizens in focus who end up suffering. Ian

Posted by Ian Prince on April 01, 2009 at 01:54 AM EAT #

Your Excellency,we are glad by United Kingdom's concern for Kenya.you have remained quite vocal on serious and very pertinent issues.the Kenyan govt under the leadership of the two principals have lost vision and the direction to lead this country. instead they have resorted to their party and tribal cocoons so as to hoodwink Kenyans. the youth have been a forgotten case,with impunity,intimidation and harassment from the security agents being unleashed on them every time they raise a concern. we still demand more international pressure to salvage this situation.we can not pretend to be united when politicians politicize and tribalise all issues including issues affecting our borders and sourvenity. thus we have to eradicate corruption,impunity,extra judicial killing and police harassment. leaders must be focused and united in the discourse of achieving peace and prosperity for our countries.our boarders must be defended jeoulously as dictated by our own constitution.

Posted by Vincent Kaudo on April 19, 2009 at 02:56 PM EAT #

Post a Comment:
  • HTML Syntax: NOT allowed

Calendar

Search

Feeds

Tag cloud

Blogroll

Evaluation