Dominic Asquith

Ambassador to Egypt

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Friday 16 October, 2009

The Niqab

The debate that has erupted following Shaikh Al Azhar's comments on the niqab has reminded me of a debate that erupted in another religion 50 years ago.
 
In 1959, the Roman Catholic Pope at that time, John XXIII, took an important step in opening up the Catholic church.  His successor carried this forward in what was called the Second Vatican Council (Vatican II).  The role of those who were not clerics but "ordinary" devout worshippers had until then sometimes been described as being to pray, fast and obey.  With the changes, they became participants in the religious celebrations, rather than followers from a distance.  During the religious service, the priest faced towards them, rather than turn his back on them.  The religious service was conducted in the language they used every day and understood, rather than in Latin. Some have used a sporting term to describe the effect, which was to turn the lay worshippers from spectators into players.  

As a Catholic child at the time, one of the things I also noticed was that my mother no longer entered church with a veil on her head. My aunt, whose devotion was legendary in my family and whose rosary, given to her by the Pope, I still possess, did the same.

No one is arguing that wearing the niqab is unIslamic, just whether Islam dictates that it should be worn; whether wearing it is central to faith or is a tradition.   I'm not surprised that views are strong on either side of the debate.   Just recently in France and in Britain when leaders debated publicly wearing the niqab, our Muslim communities had mixed reactions.  Some even resented that the question was raised, imagining another attack on Islam.  I remember how difficult it was for some Catholics fifty years ago to accept the changes - to the symbols and the traditions. 

The changes brought in by Vatican II broke with long tradition.   Some Catholics embraced the changes.  Some were sceptical.  Others were shocked, thought the changes were heretical and rejected them.  In the case of the veil in church, we ended up realising that it had been a mixture of tradition and culture.  That is all now in the past.  The arguments have moved on  - well beyond the veil.  But the consequences were profound.  The effect of Vatican II was to reach out to Catholics - and I believe to non-Catholics.  The Catholic church seemed to become less severe.
 
Quite rightly, however, what never changed were our central religious beliefs.
 
Emotion has an important role in religion.  It can be a powerful force for good.  I suspect there will be some who read this who will reject any attempt to draw lessons between religions.  But there are some brief conclusions I think can be drawn.  It is not impious to suggest a reasoned debate about religious matters, which focuses on the essence of our religion, not its symbols.  Anything which increases one's ability to reach out, whether to those of our own religion or to those from other religions, must be good.  However, symbols will remain important for some because of tradition and culture.  It will take time for them to come to terms with the changes.  Change is always difficult.  But above all, once again, the debate must be reasoned  as the Qu'ran so repeatedly encourages.

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I really respect your view. I do not think that this decision will have an effect of women who wear the niqab because they will stand firm aganist it and challenge Al-Azhar. we need to change the mindset of these people first . I was graduated from faculty of simultaneous interpration of the Al-Azhar unviersity and I got my secondary education from Saint Clare's school which is Catholic one . So I have diversify background and capable of undertanding the situation . I am not with or aganist it as it is matter of free choice as much as any one can wear the swimming suit in Egypt and do not wear the veil . We must accept others as they are . The fact is the niqab is not suitable to our life style as they used to wear it in the desert at the time of Prophet Mohamed PBUH and cultural life accepted these women wearing the niqab but now how can a girl wearing niqab move the streets using underground to go to school or work or driving a car. Also some men using it to do wrong things . So our Islam is tolerant religion: if anything will lead to damage ,people can leave it meaning that wearing a niqab can be of more damage than of use . We must approach these people and talk to them instead of challenging them.

Posted by Shohrat on October 19, 2009 at 11:29 AM BST #

With all due respect, I think you are sticking your nose in something that has nothing to do with you, your country, your religion, or your Catholic sect. I appreciate how you are trying to draw the parallels between your Catholic roots and what is going on in Egypt. Unfortunately, these parallels are flawed. Islam is not Christianity and Egypt is not the GB. In Egypt, women wearing niqab are barred from attending their colleges and are prevented from being housed in University Housing even if they agree on showing their identity. We have police which tortures political prisoners till death with equipment imported by the Egyptian government from western governments which claim to be democratic. PLEASE stop your hypocrisy and don't dictate to us what to do. As people we have almost no trust in either you, western power, with your bloody history, nor our unelected government that is empowered mainly by you. Thanks.

Posted by Hisham on October 20, 2009 at 11:58 PM BST #

dear sir i read what y wrote i do thank y for the way you talk and the languhe you used. i just want to say that hijab is not for minde i do belive that evry one has no complete fredome to just do what he wants but in the other side hihab is not a way that we disagree just like that many thankes khaled mahmoud aldostour newspaper cairo

Posted by khaled mahmoud on October 21, 2009 at 09:37 AM BST #

I am an Egyptian Muslim, and I'm living now in the UK, my wife has converted to Islam and I have one child and might have another child next year. What I want to say that it's wrong to say:"No one is arguing that wearing the niqab is unislamic". Becouse simply it's isalmic. I understand your dishonest mission in Egypt and in the Muslim world. my self I adopt the opinion that niqab is an option for the Muslim woman and she can accept it or not, but for those who decide to have the niqab they are doing a very Islamic practice and, I think you need to do a course in Islamic studies in Cairo if you wanted to talk about this sort of topics sir as well as a course in human rights to know till which point you are violating it in your embassy and to learn how respect it when dealing with Egyptians visiting your bloody the Visa office. I never forget the dirty things that has happened for me in your visa office in Cairo and how I was obligated to stay away from my wife and my baby.

Posted by Egyptian in the UK on October 21, 2009 at 12:24 PM BST #

I am sure Mr. Ambassador that you are fully aware that devout Muslims abide by "Do" and "Don't" stipulated for in the Quraan and in the Sunnah. You say "I suspect there will be some who read this who will reject any attempt to draw lessons between religions". You are right in this assumption, as the Catholic church is the last place to learn lessons from. We do not have in Islam clerics that change and add to the basic principles of the faith, but we do have variations of interpretations.

Posted by Mansour Jamil on October 24, 2009 at 02:55 PM BST #

I am quite shocked by the harsh and negative feedback received by this blog post. Mr. Ambassador Dominic Asquith is not an Islamic scholar by any means and I cannot find any evidence, at least on this blog, that he claims to be one. He specifically states the following: "No one is arguing that wearing the niqab is unIslamic, just whether Islam dictates that it should be worn..." This is true as he is not undermining the niqab's "Islamic-ness", if you will, but rather he states that its necessity as part of the core of Islam is currently debatable, which it is. There is no final opinion on its necessity by any of the leading Islamic scholars. They agree on the necessity of hijab and modest/non-revealing clothing, but they have deliberately kept the interpretation on the niqab relatively open as a decision that each woman can make on her own, or perhaps within the context of her family. His allusions to the changes in Catholic society are relevant as they reflect the similarity of how people, as a whole, adapt or respond to the more open interpretations of religion, which in this case is Islam. You do not need to agree with Mr. Ambassador Dominic Asquith's opinion but it would be silly and meaningless to deny that what he has said is relevant and most definitely worthy of merit. Mr. Ambassador Dominic Asquith's blog post, if nothing else, is a form of cross-cultural and cross-religious dialogue that the Muslim world should embrace. As a matter of fact, I would argue that the Muslim world needs to actively engage in dialogue more than ever if it is to truly and peacefully coexist in yet a constantly and increasingly diverse world.

Posted by Amr Adel Amin on November 01, 2009 at 01:50 PM GMT #

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