London Conference on Somalia: Building Momentum

So far, we’ve had an overwhelmingly positive reaction to the British Prime Minister’s announcement to host a Conference on Somalia in London next month. After 20 years of sliding backwards, it’s clear – and welcomed by many – that Somalia needs a step-change in effort, both from the international community, but also Somalia’s political leaders.

This is what the London Conference is about – bringing together in London senior representatives from over 40 governments, multilateral organisations and Somali authorities to agree how the international community can step-up its efforts to help tackle the root causes and effects of the problems in Somalia.

Twenty years of civil war in Somalia have had a dramatic effect on Somalis. Somalia is the most affected by the drought in the Horn of Africa – the UK estimates that 50,000 to 100,000 people may have died in Somalia, half of them children, since famine was declared almost six months ago. The UN estimates that 250,000 Somalis remain at risk and almost 2.5 million Somalis are displaced in the country and across the region. And if that wasn’t reason enough to act, an entire generation of children – Somalia’s future – has grown up with guns, not school books. Somalia is one of the worst countries in the world to be a woman. And while some Somalis are thriving financially, not enough is being invested in Somalia’s future.

And it’s clear from my meetings with many Somalis, that the people of Somalia want change. So the London Conference is about making the most of the opportunities in front of us:

  • The opportunity to support a more inclusive and representative political process when the Transitional Period ends in August 2012;
  • The opportunity to help people return to Mogadishu and rebuild their lives in that city;
  • The opportunity to take further action against Al Shabaab and piracy;
  • The opportunity to reinforce the relative stability in areas of Somalia, such as Somaliland and Puntland and in the south.

To realise these opportunities we need more effective international and Somali leadership and a more coordinated approach focused on actions. The UK aims to act as a catalyst for this new approach.

Together with colleagues in London and in British Missions around the world, we continue to consult widely with our Somali and international partners. These consultations will continue over the next weeks.

From these early discussions, there’s growing agreement on a series of measures to support Somalia, including: providing sustainable funding for AMISOM; support for Somali security and justice sectors; agreement to what should succeed the transitional institutions in August 2012; a package of support to Somalia’s regions; a renewed commitment to collectively tackle the terrorist threat emanating from Somalia; breaking the piracy business model; a renewed commitment to tackling Somalia’s humanitarian crisis; and improved international handling of Somalia issues.

So, the momentum towards the Conference is building. We’re realistic enough to know these are complex issues that will not be solved overnight. We will need to build on and support the work of the UN, AU, NGOs and the vital role of civil society in Somali and we will require sustained political commitment and concrete action, including from Somalia’s political leaders. But what’s agreed in London will be an important step.

Please let me know what you think. Whether you agree or disagree with this emerging agenda – your comments are always welcome, either below or on Twitter using #LDNSomalia.

1,082 Responses

  1. Abdi says:

    Matt,

    We’re always so thankful for the efforts of the Great Britain and for the chance of the upcoming conference. The agendas are also fantastic. we lookforward to a good news from there eventhough we know that it wont be a quick solution for the long running conflicts in Somalia. We had seen several reconciliation conference held in Africa and Asia for the Somali politicians, while we all thought that was the beginning of the end to the crises but it turned out to be more worse and only divided politicians further. As far as i can remember this is the first time Britain hosts such a conference in Britain that will bring together most influential Somalis. I would strongly urge that involving parties of the conference pursue any result that comes out of the conference, not to turn their back against the chance. the good news is that after a bitter suffer the Somalis inside Somali and those living abroad are committed now and they want peace and government no matter how and where it comes from.

    • Abdi says:

      Dear matt

      Please do not be misled by some of the misinformed comments from what I think are young people with little understanding of the real political situation in Somalia. Many people have mentioned Somaliland and presented various arguments. I believe the question of Somaliland is very important to the stability of Somalia but only if you have an insight understanding of the region can you make anything that is even close to a solution. The territory formerly known as Somaliland consists of 6 regions it’s also inhabited by 4 major tribes and many smaller ones. During the days of British influence each tribe had their own agreement with the British, Somaliland was never colony neither was it a country it was protectorate and its official name was “The Somaliland protectorate” the only country that was recognised or anticipated before 1960 was Somalia that is why in 1960 Britain withdrew from Somaliland to allow for the creation of independent Somalia 3 days later and the fact that both Italy and Britain withdrew from Somalia at the same time was no accident this issues was agreed on years ago and planned with UN involvement from the early 1950’s. I am only saying this because a lot people who have no understanding of these facts throw around various claims about how Somaliland used to be a country; Somaliland was never a country and it was never anticipated to be one. But all that doesn’t even matter because if you understand the tribal structure of the region you will know for sure that a country called Somaliland is not possible anyway you look at it. Understanding the tribal structure is very important because in Somalia the tribe is the community, the political party and the power on the ground. In 1991 a few individuals consisting mostly of the former SNM insurgent group from one of the tribes in Somaliland the Isaq and a few individuals from the others declared independence from Somalia and claimed that Somaliland is a new country. All the other tribes who are the majority of the population of the region along with all the tribes of Somalia are aggressively opposed to this one tribe agenda. Therefore the so called Somaliland and its claimed independence is just another problem in a long list of tribal quarrels in Somalia and should be treated with equal light as with all the other problems in south central Somalia. Three autonomous regions that will come under the new federal government are already declared by other tribes within the territory that Somaliland claims Maakhir, Khaatumo and Awdal states, so as you can see this entity called Somaliland that so many people are almost spamming you with is just another tribal problem in Somalia. The leader of Awdal state is just on a visit to Mogadishu in talks with the Somali government. I think this conference should make sure that the SNM militia and its leaders understands that their insistence on independence is not possible and the only result from it will be another violent war that devastates the region, which the conference should aim to prevent from happening and make it clear to the militia.. It is also very important to understand that not all the Isaq people support this separatist agenda and that the majority of the common people do not care about the SNM separatist movement, they just want peace and development in their country. However the lack of government in Somalia for the last 20 years meant that the SNM militia was controlling people’s opinions, they have actively supressed people who expressed nationalist ideas; this week alone they have imprisoned more than 20 journalists in Hargaisa for what they called “pro-Somalia news” and this has been the routine for the past 2 decades. The population in the cities that the SNM controls are not free to state their opinions and are in fact prisoners in their country living in extreme fear; many have been killed or tortured just for speaking out. When the united nations or other international community personal visits the region they are only allowed to visit a few pretty neighbourhoods in the city where everything is staged to look like it’s going all too well and that everyone agrees with the militia but this picture is far from the truth.

      • Ali says:

        Hi Abdi and Matt,don’t you get it,Awdal State was made here in Ottawa,Canada by a friends who were shewing khat anf it does not represent anybody and Abdi stop all this none sense picture about Somaliland.Somaliand is indeniable Country in the Horn of Africa.
        So for better or worse,Somalialnd should be recognise also i suggest for the British government ,you know Scotland is looking for a country so Somaliland already lost in 1960 but now we don’t miss it.So please matt inform your leader that we pay a big price and lot people blood for this country.

        • Adam says:

          Ali im afraid thats not corrrect. Abdi is right. the So called Somaliland was never a country and Britain knows about that. It seems that you aren’t talking to someone who knows you better but Britain does. My suspicion is that this conference will not be inclusive if Britain don’t invite nationalist states in Northern Somalia such as AWDAL STATE, and KHAATUMO STATE OF Somalia. I am not sure if Britain is aware of but most Somalis believe that Britain is actively seeking or gathering support for the SNM militia group who control Hargeisa to gain independence. Most Somalis would like to see Britain doing the other way round meaning encouraging Somalis to come together not supporting one of the functions.

          • Mohamed says:

            We need to know our gools , and go forward to somali reconciliation in my few , we want a good goverment to all somali people from north to south, no somaliland ,awdal state, puntland, hiiran land and others , somalia is somalis only .

            I am telling you if somaliland come to the conference its good for somalis ,even we support if somaliland take a capitalcity of somalia and president of somalia next year ….

          • M X Mirre says:

            Mat and Mohamed

            I am very disappointed to see your opinion. I don’t no your background but you are here to argue for the sake of argument. It is fact that Somaliland is stable and progressing both politically and economicly and it is the only place any somalian or foreigner can feel safe. A sensible mind will look a ways to capitalise that for the greater goodness of the region.

            Somaliland is a good example for promoting peace and stability and putting the majority interest first.

            I dont see how British will bring remedy to the problem of Somali people since Britain was the one behind this division in the first place and still doing so when it has it own interest, as we have recently witnessed the independence of South Sudan.

            It is the interest of the Somali people that Somaliland remains independent State, recognised or not and and not change it’s political course as long as Somalia remains as it is now.

            IF IT IS WORKING LEAVE IT AS IT IS (SIMPLE)

          • Khadar says:

            Hi everyone

            There is no need to argue about our internal affairs, infact Britain understands all somali parties. let us face the main and deep rooted problem in southern somalia. Britain or any other third party will not solve our problem, our elders can solve this problem only if we give them a chance and I can give you a good example, Somaliland was established in Burao in 1991. lets us ask ourselves who solved their problem, obviously, the elders and tribe leaders, they sat under a tree and dsicussed their internal problems and created reconciliation between the tribes, so they can live peacefully together. secondly they held another conference in Borama (Awdal) in 1993, which was also succesful.

            We can reach and enjoy prosperity, ONLY if we trust Almighty Allah (SW)

        • jama Awdali says:

          Shame on you to describe the Awdallites as such. Don’t you know Awdal community is the most educated people in somalia. Awdallites are respectable people and are the heart of somali civilization. It is SNM (Somalida Neceb Midnimada), Somalis that hate unity, who announced this dream of somaliland while chewing Qat and have been in this euphoria for the last 20 years. There is no what is called somaliland. Awdal state is part of somalia, and is working fully to bring the unity back. We, awdal community are committed to do so. The dream is over and the community have woken up. Long live somalia..

          • A Abdi says:

            I am a Somalilander living in the UK since 1988. Prior to this we lived in Mogadishu where we had to leave due to the war. I am Isaaq and Can tell you that whilst Isaaq as well as all the tribes in Somalilander did wish for a Union they found it was made possible due to the South Somalis possesive nature over their respective terrorties. We also found that many of the Somalis cannot accept each other especially in the South. Therefore, most Isaaq only lived in the capital as second class citizens and they found it very difficult to be represented equally. Most of my family that still had homes in hargeysa and Berbera in 1988 where subjecated to horrific violence due to our city folk wanting to be equally represented. We don’t want this to happen again. We can all talk about clans or tribes but we cannot ignore the fact that all that Isaaq people want is peace for thier folk in their country. We feel a lot of the misinformation being represented about this issue needs to be clarified. Their has been tribes in Somaliland who have found it easier to belong but many others haven’t and so they where able to come togther again to rebuild their lives whilst the rest of the North East and South Somalis where still struglling.We were able to bring peace and progress despite the few skurmishes we have always supported democracy but it seems a few are still unable to see the injustice to us and so lack empathy. It is this which will make Isaaq as well as other tribes in SOmaliland feel apprehensive and relectunt to trust a union. Finally the main contributor to the difference in ideology is because SOmaliland and SOmalia have different geographical needs as well as differences in exposure to the external eliminates that formed their current positions. This makes the gulf between them apparent. Their past history has paved the way for a long rooted problem. It is your empathy and consideration to many this required who just cannot see a road to union not at this time.

        • Mohamud Sayyed ali says:

          Thats your assumption Ali wake up nothing can stop peoples will not even the terrorist SNM can do that i think you are lost its 21st century and divide and rule policy is over Somali will remain ONE country and every regoin will have its piece of cake from the central Government.If you have no idea what federalism is then read and educate yourself.

      • zuhur says:

        the denial and the manipulation in your comment is what caused the current situation of somalia, so please stop that. Somaliland has showed the world that they are a Country and met all the requirements to be a country, democracy, independency and constant development. and you saying that the Somaliland government is a militia is disgrace and disgusting. even if you do not like/agree the fact that they want separation you can deny what they did for the region and the progress they made to the situation of Somalia.

        another thing i would like to say is the majority of the people of Somaliland want the separation and do not want to be part of somalia and being united with somalia anymore. there minority that live in abroad want the unity which does not know the situation and has not experienced. the people that live in the region want the peace and stability that the somaliland provides and do not want to be part of a war zone which can not secure their own safety. Somalilanders built their country believing that they are nation and survived for two decades in fact developed and built nothing from something and a developing country.

        people like you is what caused the hatred and the war in Somali and stop misleading people and giving out false history just because you hate a certain tribe.

        • Adnan Omar says:

          First of all, ,may I thank the government of Great Britain for coming up with such a brilliant initiative for the Somali people all around the world. Secondly, May I remind the honourable lady, when you only study about the history of somalia, you will come to a wider comprehensive understanding of the current situation dilemma.I am not quite sure if you heard about this say before; “Don’t ever throw rocks if you live in a glass house”. The tribal based SNM state of Somaliland as I view it, is an oppressive, hatred preacher, hatred planter, History twister, and prejudice enforcing arrogant monster. If you may allow me to shed a light on the democracy you are claiming, in the regions of SOOL,SANAAG and Cayn, may i ask you how many of the residents of those regions have participated and voted to fulfil your good omen of Somaliland’s example of democracy, excluding the recent current government “Alleged” voting campaign participation. It’s very tiny small percentage, and I can never recall in memory of that happening from 1991-2010. Can you tell me, why is the SNM based government, the pinnacle state of democracy according to your opinion, is cracking down journalists who only portrayed the other side of the story and shelling innocent civilians constantly? Mere civilians who are getting shelled and bombarded day in and day out in Buhoodle even at this minute as I type to you right now. Can you tell me why is the SNM government, killed more 12 demonstrators in the city of LAASANOOD last week? On the contrary, ISAAQ people are being allowed to demonstrate in Hargeisa and Barbara in supportive to their own tribal based government. We are recording all of these incidents and very soon SNM will be exposed in an international scale.

          Can we say they are criminals only because they believe in “ALL SOMALIA” and the revitalising process of GREATER, FAIRER STRONGER,BONDED SOMALIA. A somalia of its all tribes, cultures, dialects, diversity and justice. I ask and urge the international community as well as human rights organisations, to not to be mesmerised by the front look of this deceitful manifested mirage. The international community must fetch what lies beyond the horizon and excavate the hidden ugly truth. This beautiful bed time story of the SNM Somaliland “tribal” based state, has a completely and utterly different story to it. I will conclude my comment with, apartheid is no foundation for law, order and democracy sister! Lets all come to the table. Lets all talk and eliminate hatred. Lets all remember that we are brothers and sisters. Lets all remember, our noble nomadic values. Lets all remember, back in the days, when problems occurred, our forefathers never fought against each other. In fact they all gathered around beneath one massive tree and solved the dilemma with a heart full of love, sincerity, brotherhood and fear of committing oppression if things don’t get solved. This is what happens when we forget about our rich history of unionism.

      • hersi says:

        I will repley to your answer you are somali but I am somalilander let us go back to history in 1940’s it is used call british protectrate or a british colony after that we volunterialy join to form what is call somalia in 1960 when we got our independance. our government need to take a minsteral post but that south italian colny somali rules they have not given not even one post even when we made union whoever the somaliland people they suffered from the regime of syed baree the dictator had boombarded the cities and killed 300,000 people and wounded a lot of people and this is a case that the international community to look at it .

        • jama says:

          Dear all, we are aware that somali civilians particularly women, elderly, children rapidly suffered and died for hunger, unfair killings through false humanitarian aid which only weakened and distroyed the somali nation regardless south Somalia, north somali. Somalia current problems has been caused by outside intervention and used Somalia as battle ground to meet their selfish interest. For example billions funds donated to Somalia did not make any visible differences and the sufferings of the somalis continues whether you are from south and north Somalia. I believe that it is time to convince ourselves and be determined to solve the problems of Somalia without interverence and tribal discrimination and hate to one side to develop our somali land. Iam isaaq clan and lived in Mogadishu were I have been educated as a child and I truly missed the beauty of Mogadishu. One may argue, what, who distroyed Somalia and are we suffering when we have all our natural resources which benefits all somalis. On the hand, we must give huge credit to the success of somaliand and never deny them to have fully functioning united Somalia. Above all, somali needs to drop the AK47 they have been carrying since 1991 using different tactics such as warlordism and misinterpreted islamism to gain self interest which devided Somalia. We must agree as somalis that failure of Somalia came from the Italian, british and French colonism in which we are now suffering from divisions against each other through external donations through the ngo’s and western states. The cold war against Somalia begun after the ogaden war in 1977, after world witnessed the strenghth of Somalia. All somalis disliked mohamed siyad barre government simply because he knew that Somalia was due to be distroyed and became authoritarian to prevent chaos but the somalus did not listen and outcome clear now. God bless siyad for his all deeds. Above all , I believe external intervention to solve somali matters will not help and only further deteriorate the current problems in Somalia. Simply let Somalian people solve their problems alone and retreat all foreign troops from somalia and host international somali conference in hargeisa, second biggest city in Somalia and invite all somali functions including alshabaab representative to have a lasting peaceful solution. Please stop this tribal hate and promote love and peace to develop understanding of international relations. Where ever we go in the world we are known as Somali origin and we must promote unity at all times. Although we ate aware it is difficult at times but its our duty to make a difference with one love. God bless the world and bring less anarchy and pragmatic unity.

          • A A Yussuf says:

            Dear Jama and all others,
            I am proud of you Mr.Jama and your wise comment.Additionally,Britain should handle this event with past injustice committed against this people by it;s grand parents in mind.

        • ghada says:

          somaliland is one clan only. how they become a government?

        • Adnan Omar says:

          I pay my utmost human sense of gratitude and condolences to all of those family who have suffered under the Barre’s regime regardless of their tribes or representation . The man is dead for god sake. Islamically, dead people only owe blessing because definitely they are with God and facing their fate undoubtedly. Now, the ethnic genocide the SNM uses as an excuse to be separate from Somali is one of the most bias statements I have ever heard. Barre’s regime was a communist regime and if you studies politics you will know of what I am talking about. A Communist regime does not differentiate between its enemies. The primary priority of a Communist regime is to protect its power by any means necessary . We saw that in old soviet regime in which barre’s old government had a strong affiliation with. We saw that in the old Iraqi government meaning Saddam’s old government and the manner he has even executed his own family members. Only a non-educated person would use such an excuse. I am not here to defend him nor I have the intention to defend him, but Siyad Barre was a communist, and he killed and committed genocide even against his own people (The Daroods). He has killed thousands of Marjeerteens and in fact his first political opponent or rival came from a Darood man who later became Somalia’s president Abdulaahi Yusuf. Siyad barre has even committed genocide and killed thousands of religion leaders.He did not give any flying monkey about race, religion, tribes, elders, politicians, activists ets….. A communist is a communist Mr Hersi. For you to say three hundred thousand people were killed in HG, WOW… I find it REALLY hard to believe that and somehow i can smell a rat and sense of exaggeration in you statement!

      • khadar says:

        Dear Matt Bough

        Common Britain are you serious? you want us do the same mistake our fathers and grandfathers did?, trough our hard earned independence into a failed state? you want us be part of dirty civil and tribe war in east of Africa? force our fishermen to be sea pirates like puntland state of Somalia? create fundamentalist alshabab a like youth in our beautiful somaliland?

        Frankly speaking i felt offended by calling us being part of somalia so please edit your above statement.

        Recommendations:-

        1:- get an advice or study how somaliland succeeded peace building process

        2: Address Italian Somalia problems first.

        3:-include and invite all the stake holders of south Somalia issue fairly and balanced manner.

        Good luck

        • asurah says:

          in reply khadar
          SSC is part of somali Democratic Republic wether you like or not.
          Britain has not bought a land into somalia and fully aware of SSC region and clan who owns it, so be realistic. Means accept to participate the conference, it is the interest of all somali speakers.

          • Abdillahi Ali says:

            It is very sad to see the very people who claim to be unionist and calling for ‘united Somalia’ are at the same time calling for the division of the same communities who live in the same regions they claim unite. Look at what this disgrace claim made in Taleeh village few weeks ago they say they are establishing Dhulbahante based ‘state’. I’m from British citizen whos is also belong to Boohoodleh clan and I’ve never feel so ashamed then ever before as Dhulbahante man. We do not need foreign sponsored conference to sort out our difference. If those crying about Somalia are honest about what they are calling for then they should be realistic and face the truth about what the Somalia situation is. Somalia does not need one solution nor it needs to be imposed on what already failed it, like what Mr. Matt calls ‘road map’. Let us support those who stood up and built their country and brought peace, harmony and stability without outside interference or African foreign troops protecting from one another, and that is THE REPUBLIC OF SOMALILAND where peace and stability is norm. The people who hail what they call SSC are within Somaliland borders and we support Somaliland as one entity. We say to Mr. Matt good luck with the impossible mission you want to achieve, but you can not diminish the existence of Somaliland and its people’s aspirations. Charity begins at home, so if their is no peace and people of Somalia, like Mogadishu and beyond, Mr Matt and British government sponsored conference will not bring peace to Somalia. Just look back in the last 20 odd years.

        • Hussein fiqi says:

          Dear Matt Baugh,

          Let me take this opportunity to congratulate British prime minister and his government for not only hosting this historic conference on Somalia but enormous support that Britain offer to the good people of Somalia. Its worthy to mansion that Britain is the home of the largest Somali Diaspora on earth and so long being positive actor about the Somali issue.
          It seems we are not there yet to donate an accurate advice and plans to the world in order to end the horrible era. We should be good to find out better way to proverb, wiser to halt abhorrence and use all tools possible to accept the facts on the ground. Let us all remember that Britain won’t solve our harms their role is clear facilitation course only. Problem of Somalia’s for us to participate equally, sincerely to come up with rational termination of the past and generate new Somalia that can learn from the past and offer better chance for all walks of life. As we heard of or may be there to remember we had firs democratically elected government in Africa and for sure we have it in recorded history. We also had first presidential (may god give mercy His excellence Adan AbdulleOsman) peacefully power shift in Africa. Fair enough, we can do it again with even very much so or even much enhanced federal foundation to star from (bottom up approach)grassroots’ to the national level. We are all upset but we can make it well within this outstanding moment. As Puntlanders’ we have full of dreadfulness scenarios than our fellow North Westerns (Somaliland) ethnic group but we prefer to stay in accord. We share to a large extent in common not single difference, perhaps political variation wherein collective responsibility is the only way forward.
          There might be Sign of hope if we put all emotional thoughts aside and unlock our brain power by facing reality and the matter in hand. Trying to picture situation in Somalia today is like an orphan who killed both parents and come on the streets to ask people for help because he/she is an orphan with no food and shelter to survive. We need not to condemn to the world organizations because there were not enough food on the ground to feed our people where virgin land of Somalia has enough to offer us and even surplus to the world if we use our brain precisely. Let not to criticize the foreign entities because we fail to have an open dialogue (same language, culture, and religion, intermarriages) to compromise our distinction and stood up for common interest.
          Finally, contributing to the upcoming conference is compulsory for all and I would love to see Somali people in agreement and disagreeing in constructive way and fairly contests which way out of all these in the past for thinking hard of what coming future are hold for us.
          My advices are as follows
          • International community must encourage Somali unity by adapting federal system.
          • Foreign military force is the only solution to defuse Al-SHABAB but our people are too sensitive to bear as such a brutal action. Given that, AL-SHABAB can benefit Ethiopian army on the ground for its religion misinformation therefore, to prevent any propaganda armed forces such as Turkey, Egypt, Pakistan and Malaysia would be an advantage to take the lead in its place.
          • Reinforcing Somali national army is crucial for Somalia and elsewhere (piracy, terror and all ill-actions) in the world. Consequently, huge investment should be made available to bring the law and order, to patrol its borders and secure its citizens.
          • Garowe accord must have vastly, universal support to end the transition period with no wrongly elected parliaments of full of former vicious warlords but energetic intellectuals need to be given confidence to fulfill these roles.
          • Concluding with this equation: No Way out without security and justice sectors powerfully invested, not security and justice without national unity including North West Somalia and no national unity without international political-pressure on all parts including our fellow (Somaliland) North Western.

          Hope my voice is heard

          Hussein A fiqi
          Nationalist
          alfiqi@gmail.com

      • Hamdi says:

        Well said!
        H

      • Abdillahi Aden says:

        Hello to you all;

        My only request from GB, Somalis and all the respected representatives of nations who will gather in London this February to respect my/our wishes of May 31/2001.

        Those Somalis who have an issue with Somaliland, where were you when i needed you the most? don’t shed crocodile tears now for Somaliweyn it’s dead, you might not believe but that is the reality get over it people.

        There are individuals who are trying to teach the Brits a lesson or 2 on the tribes who inhabit Somaliland, i guess they don’t know the Brits Rule this Country close to a century

        Somaliland Ha Jiirto oo Ha Joogto,

      • isaaq says:

        mate u are most silly n deluded person somaliland is a nation n will be for ever weather u like or not today the general army was in gambadha town address his army it does not matter if u or anybody else writte to david camron or his gorvenment it wont change anything, somaliland will be recongised country soon enough so plz try not to have heart attack

      • Saeed says:

        In respond to Abdi who may have possibly missed the golden opportunity that was given to all Somalis by Matt asking them to express their views towards the incoming Somali conference and how this can be done differently from the last 15 conference. I believe that our views and our discussions should be evidence based and it should be avoided any speech which may create problems between Somalis who have already suffering their self inflicted wounds.
        Firstly, as being a Somaliander, may I take the opportunity to thank Honourable Gentleman, David Cameron, British PM for taking this bold decision in calling for a conference for Somali people with a view of addressing the ongoing feuds, hatred, and wars among Southern Somalis which led them to have endless fights among themselves despite the world community have been spending millions on them. The money had been wasted as it was certainly not being spent on people. The international community has formed so many ineffective and toothless governments over the years. My view is that, we need to learn from our history.

        I am not here to entertain you with long and meaningless email, but in a nutshell, anyone who has a brain knows that all these previous conferences held in the past for Somalis were unproductive and created more problems to the point that they have been interfering with Somaliland in an attempt to spread the fire in Somaliland with the view of forcing it eventually to join them as this will enable them to re-invent the dead theory of bringing all 5 Somalis in one place. This theory was tested and it is the theory responsible for the genocide committed by Siad Bare regime which killed more than 50,000 people in Northern Somalia or Somaliland. This theory carried out the undistinguishable rape and torture for our elders, intellectuals, children, mothers, girls and it was misplaced millions of my ancestors. This theory should be buried forever as it causes panic attacks, anxiety and fear among my people. The decision for Somaliland to regain its independence was not born out of one family. It was born out because, all of the different communities in Somaliland, including elders, Guurti, Garads and intellectuals came together and called for inclusive conferences one of which was held in Burao and in Awdal in 1991 and the outcomes of their conference were that it will not be in the best interest of Somaliland to remain with the rest of Somalia again and the decision adopted was that Somaliland should reclaim its independence from the rest of Somalia. No one was forced to take this decision; it was taken unanimously among all communities in Somaliland.

        In light of this, I recommending that the British Government should take a strong decision in addressing where the solution of Somali is coming from which is, to recognise Somaliland before the fire in Mogadishu reaches them too. If British Government is not ready for making such this decision in the near future, it should come up with another solution urgently, possibily (Semi-state) which may enable Somaliland to be part of the world club.

        Finanlly, i am urging for Somaliland Goverment to attend this confernece.

        Once again, thank you for giving us this golden opportunity.

        Kindest regards, Saeed

      • Ismail says:

        Hi Abdi ,
        I really admire your inspiring writings about the real status of the Somaliland.
        I am a graduate form oxford and worked many national l and international organizations before i moved to new Zealand . your comments on the issue of the Somali political situation is well articulated piece of work and i agree with all your clarifications when dealing with the Somali crisis. For the last week many Khatumo sate residents were miss treated in Lasanod for just expressing their wishes for the unity of Somalia and this will open an all war for the people of Northern Somalia . I would like to share with thee UK Government not to jump the gun but hopefully allow more Independent scholars to attend this important Conference in London so that their contribution will give an inclusive dialogue for all Somalis regardless of their tribal difference.

        Ismail

        • Mussa says:

          Dear Matt and other Somali colleagues,
          I hope this finds you well.

          The upcoming conference on Somalia on 23 Feb in London hosting by the Great Britain and invited around 40 key Somali partners and key interests will hopefully bring a bright future and is step change.

          Somalia, Has been an narchy for last decades, Enough is Enough, our people has Experienced from poverty, continuously fighting of massacring innocent, piracy and terrorism brutal killings. today is to stand for our future and peace and stability restore.

          Somalia is only one nation with one language with one religion, regardless the differences of clan and other individual interests , no More Somaliland, Puntland and other so-called administrations it’s about time to move forward and to be united. Thanks for the peaceful efforts made by Somaliland and Puntland Administrations and for the good humanitarian access to their areas ensuring the local community needs meet with international responses.

          Mussa Gelle-Puntland,

      • Amina Daud (Timayare) says:

        Thank you for the points you raised. We are all tired and fed up of what is going on in Somalia; an endless war, famine and devestation. This conference most be decicive in implimenting viable solutions. We must be able to have a government and solve the refugee crisis in Kenya and Ethiopia. Those in Somalia who do not want a Somalia government must be help accountable. The guns must be collected from all these clans and their militia. Lawless warlords must be tried. The list is long but honest and just Somalis with some help would be able to do a great job of this. I am confident that this conference is a way forward. Thank you again.
        A.D Timayare

      • Abdi Askar says:

        Abdi,

        You summed up nicely. Thank you.

        Your post gives the right picture of the Norther Somalia

    • Id Hassan Muse says:

      Dear Matt Baugh,
      As a British Somalilander, I do welcome the British initiative to end the endless anarchy in Somalia. Evidently, the problem of Somalia affect many countries, in particular the neighboring countries such as Ethiopia, Somaliland and Kenya. This also affects countries like UK where Somalians live in number. However, to find a remedy for this problem, the British government has to be realistic and not deny the facts on the ground otherwise the London conference will fail as all the fourteen previous conferences failed.
      For your information, the Republic of Somaliland gained its negotiated independence from the UK on the 26th June 1960 as one country and it’s been recognize at that time by 34 countries. However, after five days, on the 1st of July 1960, the new born state united with Somalia and that union gave birth to the former Somali Republic (1st July 1960-17th May 1991). Well, the de facto state of Somaliland withdrew from that union on the 18th of May 1991 and has started building a nation from scratch.
      What you need to understand is also that Somali is an ethnic identity and not a nationality so if you want to describe the people of Somalia please call them Somalians. Somalis are a multinational ethnic group and inhabit in five different countries (Somaliland, Somalia, Ethiopia, Djibouti and Kenya).
      As British Somalilanders, we were following very closely in the last few months your Somaliasation campaign that you have launched at your blog titled SomaliainUK and we feel that our human rights are violated as you have used in this blog events such as Somali Week Festival where Somali speaking communities in London, including Somalilanders and Djiboutians, exhibit their literature and cultures. We will definitely protest about this campaign by the FCO and by our MPs as it is a total discrimination against British Somalilanders who were and are a very loyal British allies for more than a century. We believe that your campaign is in the interest of terrorists who have Islamized the Somali ethnic identity and promote the jihad against Ethiopia, Kenya and Somaliland who they believe are anti-Somali thus anti-Islam.
      Best regards,
      Id Hassan Muse,
      Coordinator
      West London Somaliland Community

    • Hussein fiqi says:

      dear Matt,

      It seems we are not there yet to donate an accurate advice and plans to the world in order to end the horrible era. We should be good to find out better way to proverb, wiser to halt abhorrence and use all tools possible to accept the facts on the ground. Let us all remember that Britain won’t solve our harms their role is clear facilitation course only. Problem of Somalia’s for us to participate equally, sincerely to come up with rational termination of the past and generate new Somalia that can learn from the past and offer better chance for all walks of life. As we heard of or may be there to remember we had firs democratically elected government in Africa and for sure we have it in recorded history. We also had first presidential (may god give mercy His excellence Adan AbdulleOsman) peacefully power shift in Africa. Fair enough, we can do it again with even very much so or even much enhanced federal foundation to star from (bottom up approach)grassroots’ to the national level. We are all upset but we can make it well this outstanding moment for all. As Puntlanders’ we have full of dreadfulness scenarios than North West Somali (Somaliland) ethnic group but we prefer to stay in accord. We share to a large extent in common not single difference perhaps political variation wherein collective responsibility is the only way forward.
      Finally, my advices as follows
      • International community must encourage Somali unity by adapting federal system.
      • Foreign military force is the only solution to defuse Al-SHABAB but our people are too sensitive to bear as such a brutal action. Given that, AL-SHABAB can benefit Ethiopian army on the ground for its religion misinformation therefore, to prevent any propagandas Turkey, Egypt, Pakistan and Malaysia would be an advantage to take the lead in its place.
      • Reinforcing Somali national army is crucial for Somalia and elsewhere (piracy, terror and all ill-actions) in the world. Consequently, huge investment should be made available to bring the law and order, to patrol its borders and secure its citizens.

      Hope my voice is heard
      Hussein A Fiqi
      Nationalist

    • Ali Abdi says:

      First and foremost, we request the British government to declare respect for the unity and sovereignty of Somalia, because we reject the separation of Somaliland from the rest of the territory of Somalia, and you know that we suffer from the mistakes of the colonial British handover of the territory of Somali west into the hands of the Ethiopian, And NFD region into the hands of Kenya, but we still ask for re-Socotra island into the hands of Somalia, please declare that you are respect the unity and sovereignty of Somalia.

      Thank you
      Ali Abdi
      Mogadishu-Somalia

      • Abdi Askar says:

        Thank you Ali Abdi. Mogadisho is about to see peace. I shall come back soon. You just saying you are in Mogadisho makes me feel homesick!

    • Nabadoon says:

      Dearest Matt Baugh
      We appreciate you for the efforts of the Great Britain and for the chance of the upcoming conference,
      that recognising Somaliland is out of question, its only Isaaq clan the rest Clans
      Dhulbahante, Warsangali,Gudebiirsi, all they want Great Somalia.
      It is time that the UK stops giving aid to Isaaq clan only (Hargaysa and Barbara) because this aid is used to kill people in Sool, Sanaag ,Ayn and.Awdal.
      If Isaaq people want independent they have to win referendum Against The whole Great Somalia stop dreaming you can’t hijack other people Freedom.

    • Nur Abdilahi says:

      Dear Matt,

      In a nutshell, I support the London Conference in search for possible and internationalized ideas to stabalize the failed state of somalia.

      But, I would like to draw your attention (British Political Calculation) to reconsider the rule of thumb into realities on ground. Somaliland Republic is far more than what other so-called Somalian intelectuals convey during discussion at a time.

      Your government invited our government, and the Governement of SOmaliland is calculating the interest that holds London Conference for our future.

      Let me say, Your are the only governement can change the status quo through diplomatic coordination efforts within and accross your allies and freinds. In addition, There was continues bias and underestimation for our cause and this conference perpetuates the old ideas. Therefore, As Somaliland National, I am not supporting to consider somaliland as a part of Somalia. We chosen to be separate to the somalia affairs.

      Regards,
      Nur Yusuf Abdilahi

      • Abdi Askar says:

        How can you say that while Khatumo, Awdal and Makhir state are against secession? This is one family project and the world is tried of it.

    • Abdirisaq ali says:

       

      Opinion:- Dear Matt, Congratulations on your new appointment and I welcome you to our country with open arms. With your assistance..

      once Somalia finally solves her problems, I promise that you will be working with one of the most wonderful societies in Africa with great culture and selfless hospitality.

      To capitalise on the recent achievements by the joint Somalia – Amisom armies, Britain is in a unique position at the London Somalia Conference to end the stalemate in the Horn of Africa country. To ensure a successful conference, a comprehensive governance plan is needed in order to put Somalia’s failed state status on the history shelves. Britain has the opportunity to do just that. Britain must apply a Sierra Leone style pressure to spoilers of peace and statehood in Somalia. We can’t afford any more let down in the offensive against the Shabab and others. A new diplomatic offensive on Somaliland must also be waged at LSC. A peace within an area of Somalia is not a just peace without a closure to the political arrangements.

      We know that there are no Habar Gidir clan fighting the Abgaal in Benadir and no Harti clan engages the Mareehaan in the Juba Valley. There are no combat between Habar Jelo and Habar Yonis in Burao and warlords became history long time ago. There is no strong Qanyare manning the check points in the capital anymore therefore, short-listing the Somalia crisis to only two elements is not that difficult.

      I short listed Somalia’s numerous symptoms which prevented her from establishing a functioning governance system to only two sticking wounds: Alshabab and Somaliland. Tell me if there is a major third element which obstructs future Somali central administration in reaching to every region within Somalia. I recognise, however, a third minor frustrating point: The so called Somali Parliamentarians. But this largely semi illiterate so called Parliamentarians can be told to leave the chamber at once – they should not be a problem since we can simply withdraw their monthly allowances.

      At the conference in London however, we need to close the Somalia deal – and close it now. We have never been closer to solving the Somalia quagmire – the wind is blowing towards settlement and prosperity. I strongly believe that peaceful and healthy Somalia – a Somalia without pirates, terrorisms and warlords can come out of the LSC only and only if the final nail is hammered to the Somalia crisis: expel the Shabab and deliver Somaliland to the table.

      In order to achieve this, Somaliland leaders must be told in no uncertain terms that they must join in the final peace process while we open several fronts to keep the pressure on the Shabab to expel them from all the territories they currently hold.

      In fact those who invented the idea of the division of Somalia are equally responsible for the disintegration of the Somali nation. They depressed the Somali nation right from the start with their proclamation of separate imaginary state in some parts of the north. Furthermore, the former warlords flourished in the South of the country and started their long and protracted anarchy from the desperation of ‘where Somalia headed if the country is divided’. Therefore, Somaliland leaders must be told to renounce their false dreams of a separate state and take part in this final peace process – to make Somalia peaceful and united. A Sierra Leone style all inclusive and comprehensive solution must be applied at the conference in London. No more engagements and no more appeasements to those who dream of imaginary states such as the so called Somaliland in the north and the prehistoric Wahabists anarchist across Somalia.

      The Shabab must be wiped out of the map of Somalia – thanks to Amisom this is already happening. But the pressure must be kept on Somaliland – the division of Somalia must be rejected at the conference. If Amisom and the Somali Transitional Government build on the momentum to eradicate the Shabab and the LSC tells Somaliland to join in the peace process, a free Somalia can join the family of nations by the end of this spring.

       

  2. Hassan Mao says:

    We the Somali People are pleased with the effort of the government of the UK. Its indeed an important step to finding a sustainable peace in the Somali problem. But my concern as will be many educated young Somalis living abroad (Sweden), is the blind attention given to the one of the most important arm of the Somali structure, The Youth. More then 80 percent of all the warring parts comprise the youth, Alshabaab use them as a tool to enforce their fatal agendas, so as the pirate and other interesting groups. This therefore necessitates the importance of including the youth in all future political landscape in Somalia. The TFG, though there are outstanding individuals who are committed to bringing stability peace to Somalia, have time and again proved to be the only reliable partner in Somalia.

    My humble request to the UK government and the organizers of this conference is the youth be given an opportunity to shape their future and the future of Somalia. Another important element in the Somali way of life is the role of the elders and community leaders, i believe the inviting of some self interested so called leaders into the meeting and calling it the Somali authority will not make desired change on the ground.

    Its my sincere hope that the UK government involvement in Somali’s politics is sincere as mentioned in the report above.

    I wish the Somali people all the success and dignity they have lost for decades.

    Hassan Mao
    Sweden

  3. Kassim says:

    A step in the right direction! I hope things change for the better soon………

    • Mahdi Muuse Isaaq says:

      Hello Everybody;
      I would like to say this is a very important forward step for the future of Somalis in general and particularly those who love their real identity which is the blue flag with white star in the middle.
      I am suggesting that the British Government has to consider and invite to the conference all state Governments and find solutions .

      Awdal State and Khatumo State are particularly to be invited as they could contribute fundamental ideas for one Somalia. They had made possible the Somali unification after independence on July 1st, 1960.

  4. Thanks Matt for keeping us updated about the Somali conference scheduled on 23rd February 2012. It seems to me so far you and your colleague are doing great job to once more to restore hope and future for many suffering Somali’s including women and children. I hope the outcome of the conference will be positive for those people who are suffering through out twenty years and will give them support to go back safely their rightful properties in Mogadishu and elsewhere in Somalia..

  5. Mohamud abdulahi Yusuf says:

    Hi Matt Baugh thanks for your information You give us ,this is what a Somalia need it now ,you are and your Goverment they are right direction keep moving in that right direction .good lucky.

    Reply

  6. Mohamed Ali Arkow says:

    The London Conference should:
    1) Support the unity of the Somali Republic.
    2) Support a truly democratic Somalia as the final outcome of the civil war.
    3) Support a judiciary system independent of political and tribal
    interference.
    There is an opportunity for the International Community to support the estabilishment of a JUST SOCIETY in Somalia (a future show-case for Africa).

    • Abdulkhaliq Ali says:

      it is really stange, to see that western governments are still willing to waste thier effort again in what was once called somalil Republic. this reminds me One of somaliland old person, used to put the seeds in the river, and still expects to get the fruits. i believe it is the right time, to change the tone, and regonize somaliland. where there is a stability, Administeration, elected government. this will help and share the solution of the othre southern somalia.the problem is when the western nations still get thier feed back from un reliabel sources, and only those personells, who get the benefits of the western support, but keep in mind the somali nation do not get any tangable support, Do wetern nation, believe feeding the hunguary people will solve the criticale case? i do not think so, we have to face the reallity, and devide this case in two different parties, as they used to be, which is south and north, and solve each case seperately, this means regonizing somaliland is the only solution , then somaliland will take its lion share to finalize the southern somali problems. other wise the whole world is just wasting thier effort as well as their support, and the somali problem will arise for ever.

  7. Musse Ali of Birmingham says:

    Britain and Italy were the two colonial powers before Somalia born as Nation in 1960s. Italia tried to come back and help Somalia during the 20 years and so Somalia disintegrated into the current crisis. But Britain did not bother what happened to Somalia. Instead, Britain was happy to be the passenger for Somalia issues. Many Somalis were surprised the indifferent attitudes displayed by the Britain.

    As the suffering of Somalia continue, its never too late for Britain to come to the rescue and stand for Somalia.

    With regards to the suggested agendas, I think all those topics are important and relevant. However, I would like to make clear for the conference organisers that the discussions toward the political issues are more important. The best this conference can achieve is to agree a formation of inclusive Parliament without former warlords. Put in place an agreeable benchmark for who can become parliamentarian, such as higher education.

    I personally hope the London conference successful and Somalia gets back its place in the world community.

    Musse Ali

    • nacima somaliland says:

      first all somali people must know that somaliland will never be part of somalia again all s/landers take their own decision they make every thing in order to get recognistion and international comunity must know thay s/land people have rights they must take what they want i love my country somaliland if britain goverment want to desrtoy somaliland it will listen somalia and if it want somaliland it must give somalianders what they want somaliland will never come back those waiting somalailand never waste your time we get every thing peace goverment also we are developing our country what somalia did somalia is only busy how to destroy peace full countryies

  8. Hassan Gurey says:

    the success of the out come of this conference is vital for the future of our people. But the question is who will be representing the Somali people in the conference and how will they be selected?
    As we Somalis aware most of the previous conferences never succeeded because of picked handed by international communities known by Somalis one man part leaders who represent their-selves interests.
    I hope Uk conference organizers will not follow dead ended routs of
    two decades conferences,

  9. Idil says:

    Thank you Matt for this important update.

    As a British Somali citizen I am glad that Britain is taking the lead in supporting the peace of Somalia and building of dialogue among all regions.

    I am concerned about the situation of all sections of Somalia both north and south and like all Somalis I am fed up of the never ending unrest in Somalia, in particular the current situation in Northern Somalia; Lasanod / Buhodle regions (Khaatumo State of Somalia), which you have not mentioned in the above statement.

    President Shiikh Sharif has spoken about the situation in this region recently, as it is currently of great concern to the peace of Northern Somalia and is detrimental to the stability of all states: Somaliland, Khaatumo and Puntland.

    I have high hopes for this meeting taking place in my city London, I hope the outcome will be a peaceful Somalia for the benefit of both the Somali people in the Diaspora and those in all regions of Somalia.

    • dear idil :i wonder what you are talking any somali person can`t classify whether you are educated or uneducated.we know that somaliland and somalia are different countries only they share the name of somali.
      AFTER that i want to tell mr.matt baugh that somalilanders never accept if the UK government suggests to unite with somalia we can`t denny that uor leaders will take part the confrence but they are going to tell what tru is .
      every body knows that somaliland was self existed country before the british colony captured the country then we joined somalia but in 1991 when the country heavily collapsed we declared an independence this girl called IDIL i think she doesn`t know nothing about somaliland and she is telling a lie when she said there is AWDALSTATE,KHATUMOSTATE something like that there is no states inside somaliland everybody knows that even MATT BAUGH lives now nairobi and he is seeing the reality plzzz don`t tell any lie about the country of somaliland that is allllllllll

      • nacima somaliland says:

        yes nasir you are right there isn what called khatoumo and awdal that false states are used in oder to make desrtuctoin and its used by special persons that wants only money somaliland is somalind there is no what is called states in somaliand and will never be if any one try to say some thing not true about somaliland he is one of the somalia people those dont want somaliland to be paece full they want somalland to be like somalia tha t will never happen somaliland will have its peace and development and will never be part of somalia that is promise

        • Abdi Askar says:

          It’s Somaliland that was welfare state for the last twenty years. SNM in Hargeisa can’t force people of Khatumo, Awdal and Makhir for something they don’t want.

  10. Said Mohamud says:

    Many somalis are looking positively for the upcoming conference at London. The hope is high and the UK is well-known for being serious and effective change-maker. Political party leaders are among progressive people who are encouraging public to the direction of positive change. We wish Matt and other British organizers for the best of the conference and successful outcome. Chair of the People Party.

  11. Salma Sheik says:

    Dear Mr Baugh, I will let you know what I think as you are clearly asking for some guidance and ground facts.
    It is very misfortune that individuals like you have been assigned to involve in the political turmoil in the Horn of Africa. Reading your article her teaches me nothing more than that the West has done it AGAIN; that is failing the region, again, by appointing another, keen but incompetent, diplomat. there is an ongoing political violence in the region due to the interference of misguided and misinformed international community’s envoys like you. If I may correct you about one fundamental fact that you have, consciously or subconsciously, committed a gross error on in your assumption here is the distinct between the two countries; that is Somalia and Somaliland, which you assumed is one unity called Somalia “The opportunity to reinforce the relative stability in areas of Somalia, such as Somaliland and Puntland and in the south”. Fact – there was never Somalia, and for a politically active and British diplomat to make this error, it is damaging for the ageless and rich British international affairs.
    The countries you are referring to here, were known, prior to Somaliland’s withdrawal in 18 May 1991 from the 1st July 1960 voluntary union, the Somali Republic, NOT Somalia as you have repeatedly stated in your article here.
    While the ‘Somalia’ you are appointed to interfere is a “failed state”, Somaliland, which may not be priority assignment is a democratic country that has a democratically elected government just like Britain, the one that has assigned you to deal with that region of the world. Somaliland, a functioning democracy in the Horn of Africa, has population of millions that declared their wish to be independent from the ‘voluntary union’ of former Somali Republic in a referendum. I hope this fact, least, reminds you about the value of democracy and self-determination, which may lead you to understand and respect the distinction between the two countries.
    I congratulate you for being enthusiastic about Somalia and her affairs and for being keen in assisting in bringing about positive change, but Mr Baugh, DO NOT be fooled about realities on ground. Do not be another Boutros Boutros Ghali when dealing with truth on ground in that region of the world. Your job as a British diplomat and/or Civil Servant is very important and as a British Somalilander, myself, I will be very disappointed if you fail either country of mine; Britain and Somaliland.
    Thank you, and I hope my advise comes to you useful in your assignment, which is, I believe, very crucial.

    • Idil says:

      Dear Salma Sheik…

      The purpose of the meeting in London is not to create further unnecessary division amongst the Somali people, 20 years is enough!

      I am sure Matt is very aware of the situation in Northern Somalia (Somaliland Khaatumo and Puntland). As a British Citizen originating from Northern Somalia (Hargeisa) I know that it is in the interest of all those who reside in both North Somalia and South Somalia ..that this meeting is a success.

      Lets all hope that through dialogue we can improve our beloved country and all its regions.

      The British Government is supporting a united peaceful and stable Somalia… We should all be thankful.

      • Salma Sheik says:

        Idil, your claim here of being a Somalilander, who supports the failed ideology; Soomali Weyn/Greater Somali Republic, of Dictator and former president of Somali Republic, Mohamed Siyad Bare, is pathetic and probably why the ‘Somalia’ is considered a “failed state” in the world. Your pretence and denial is, my friend, very sad and psychotic. You comparing a country of over 5 million people to a family gathering of one of the many sub clans of Somalilanders in Sool. However, what is more sadder is the foreign interventionists who are trying to deal with the ‘Somalia’ situation and taking advise from, clearly challenged, people, who can not simply comprehend of keep up with changing political and social spheres of our region and/or globe. The world has changed and moved away from ‘expansionism’. If it did not, you would have seen one Europe, one Arabia world, instead of new born sovereigns like that of Southern Sudan. It is a reality that the Somali Republic is no more and ‘Greater Somali Republic’ died with its thinker Siyad Bare. It’s about time the few foreign hopefuls, but yet uneducated about the facts, move onand come up with new ways to rescue the ‘Somalia’ as the Somali Republic will be NO more.
        One last thing for Matt Baugh and his co on February London Conference; as long as you chose to deny the truth and ignore Somaliland’s vital role in assisting rescue the Somalia, and as long as you plan the coming conference on ‘Somalia’ and ignore other major countries in the HoA that ‘Somalia’s’ ongoing problems affect, Somaliland will NOT be part of your initiative as Somaliland’s government is an elected government that acts, purely, on Somalilanders’ wishes, and is restricted by the country’s constitution from participating such conferences. So, if that is yours and your bosses’ plan, go ahead and meet with the TFG, which, unfortunately, was formed outside the ‘Somalia’ by non Somalians, and which is considered a joke by most leaders and scholars due to their inactive role in the ‘Somalia’.
        Please, people of the now ‘Somalia’ wake up and stop pretence and living in denial. Accept facts. Look around you in the world, and accept change. Come up with new initiatives to rescue your country, instead of hanging on to the failed ideology inherited from a former Dictator, because, he wanted to unite the five Somali speaking countries hence the white star with 5 angles on the Blue flag. Two of these countries/regions are occupied and only Allah knows when they will achieve their independence, other two are DJabouti and Somaliland, which neither of them has an interest now of unification. So, AGAIN, accept reality, because since you can not handle the ‘Somalia’ you have now, you can NEVER handle a ‘Greater Somali Republic’

        • Idil says:

          Dear Salma Sheik..

          I must say it fills me with great sadness to see a Somali person refusing to realize the path to peace. This is not a time to explore the tribal mixtures and tropical differences of the people in Northern Somalia whether it is Awdal, Somaliland, Khaatumo or Puntland. It is rather an occasion to find a peaceful resolution to the situation of the country as a whole. We have to appreciate the efforts of Great Britain and our TFG in reaching this prominent time where all have the possibility of conducting an open dialogue.

          I agree there is currently a tribal conflict in Northern Somalia between the Somaliland tribe (predominantly Isaaq) and Khaatumo State (predominantly the Dhulbahante). It is unfortunate that tribal conflicts persist in this day and age, hence why the TFG and Great Britain are greatly concerned and are encouraging all parties to open a peaceful dialogue.

          I am a supporter of peace and unity, I want to see change, I want the intervention of Great Britain as Somalia is clearly in need of assistance. I want to see all regions of Somalia living side by side peacefully, I am tired of any conflict whether it is the tribal situation in the North of Somalia or that alshabaab issues in the South of Somalia.

          I think twenty years is far too long to remain in disagreement, Somali people all over need to understand that differences need to be ironed out for a better tomorrow. I hope all the Sub-regions of Somalia whether it is North or South people will open their hearts and minds and change their ways in the name of peace and unity for their beloved country Somalia.

          I am proud to be British Somali… I am proud to be a citizen of a country that cares for the peace of all regions of Somalia.

          Thank you Great Britain.. thank you Matt for the opportunity to respond and all the hard work you and your team are doing for this important meeting.

          Lets all pray for peace and unity.

          • Rashid says:

            It’s funny to hear the fake so called states tribal namely khaatumo and awdal; where do they exist except on cyberspace, where??

          • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

            And Somaliland exists in a deluded clan, if every village in the world declared sovereignty the world would have thousands independent nations?

          • Abdi Askar says:

            Thank you Idil,

            Obviously they don’t have the political maturity you have and their argument shows that. Thanks again and Viva Somalia.

        • Zak says:

          These extreme views about Somaliland’s independence is becoming stale. The fringe secessionists are running out of time and out of ideas. Why are you scolding this diplomat who has no power or authority to recognize your fake republic. After all you are claiming your borders based on British colonialism. As many have commented here, Somalia or Somali Republic (as if there is a difference!) is composed of Clans and Sub-Clans and Sub-sub-clans etc. So to establish a regional State let alone a Republic you need the undivided loyalty of all groups. Apparently, Awdal State and Khaatumo State do not agree with your agenda. It is better for Hargeisa to attend this conference and share with other Somalis what is rightly theirs, instead of isolating themselves. Soon you will not be even eligible to become a State within Somalia let alone an independent country.

        • Mohamud Sayyed ali says:

          Somalia is a failed state because of people like you who have sinister move remember SNM and today the same SNM are claiming to be government will wake up Somalia is ONE and will never be divided by any entities.Divide and rule attitude is over people know what they want and nothing will stop them.I,am sure today if referendum is taken Somaliland as you claim will go down the drain think twice ONE SOMALI STATE and thats how it be

        • Aaliyah Ahmed says:

          Dear Salma,

          I take your concerns down, and in addition to this, as far as I am aware, Somaliland government has been invited to the conference but President Silaanyo’s government have refused to attend. So putting that in to perspective, i think it is fair to state that the British Government has invited all PARTIES concerned. Remember this is a conference NOT just on Somalia but concerns of Somalia, how it affects the sourrounding countries, therefore, Somaliland should be part of this conference and it gives them the opportunity to show case their concerns and map out to the rest of the world the great achievements that have been made.
          I am not from Somaliland, however, instead of people pointing fingers and blaming each other, I believe this is a unique opportunity for each country/region to let the international community know what they want/concerns and find some form of solution…

          Lets not forget, If somaliland do attend this conference, this will be a great exposure for them in showcasing their agenda for recognition to the international community and people should not view it as us and versus them but look at it from the wider context.

          I just hope this opportunity is caputalized by All sections of Somalia/Somaliland/Puntland etc and do whatever they can to avoid history repeating again, we do not want to see another road-map, another peace initiatives… The time is now, 2012, the year people really want to see real objectives/goals that concerns all parties brought to the table and the International community must then try whatever ways possible in implementing it, no more talk no more dreaming, lets see some action for the love of God.

    • asurah says:

      salma
      Mr Baugh do not need you to guide him of his work.
      your so called aka somaliland is not and never be exist.
      if you wish you can choose better name which could be like,hargaysa land or whatever.
      give up calling SSC part of somali-hargaysa because not!.
      that is why I say, you people from northwest of somalia need rehabilitation. to get the damage done. take lonftime to heal bewitched and brainwashed by your warlords.

  12. A. Aware says:

    Welcome friends from UK who will set up a way that we can obtain the existence we lost over twenty years ago. Somalia does not need any more the tribal and unfair quota system 4.5 mechanism. Furthermore, please be aware the MAFIA that is against the Justice and fairness. The rulers who are self-made and who work the jungles of injustice, nepotism, uncountable to their embezzlements and wasting the entrust they have plundered. We need the rule of law and fairness rebirth and shine all over Somalia. Thanks friends of Great Britain and all over the world. Down the injustices that brought the Somalia the Current Mini unfair Establishments. Long live the Raasayrland, Awdal and Khaatumo States. We need a new government and the leaders who are not robbers and delinquents rulers.

    • mustafe says:

      Somalia need to recognise the Somaliland and referendum of North Somalia or ( Somaliland British protectorate), and then solve the south problems.

      thanks

      • Idil says:

        Dear Rashid

        North Somalia consists of (Awdal State, Somaliland, Khaatumo State and Puntland) …so I agree with you that the international community needs to recognise and support the tranquillity of all sub-regions. Being Northerner myself (Hargeisa).. the issues in Somaliland are close to my heart and I regard it as an important aspect that needs to be considered for the peace plans of the country as whole.

        Especially in the current climate where there is tribal conflicts (only yesterday the new Awdal State president which main sub-clans of the Samaron tribe have elected has visited Mogadishu to meet with the TFG Prime Minster Dr Abdiweli to gain the support of the TFG and report the tribal-linked mistreatments subjected to some sub-clans of the Samaron/ Gadabursi people in Awdal State and to strengthen the declaration of independence from the Somaliland Clan (Isaq)). Also in Lasanod there is still tribal issues (the Dhulbahante sub-clans in the region continue to complain to the international community for the unfair tribal-linked imprisonments and cruel treatments.. especially the targeting of the youth, boys, men and women in Lasanod based on their clan-root is a concern that needs to be addressed) .. In addition just last Sunday the Somaliland Clan (Isaq) has waved attacks on the civilians of the town of Buhodle by conducting barbaric wild shelling, burning homes and killing of civilians. All this under the watchful eye of the international community – the Cayn region (Khaatumo State)/ Buhodle remains on high alert due to anticipated ongoing tribal conflicts between Somaliland Clan (Isaq) and the Khaatumo State people (Dhulbahante) as I write here today. – Hence why this upcoming meeting is very important and of interest to all peace loving people in Northern Somalia.

        These unprovoked attacks and complaints from Northern Somalia is disturbing to both people living in North Somalia and those in the Diaspora who originate from the region. Also the relations of Northern Somalia sub-regions whether it is Puntland, Khaatumo, Awdal or Somaliland needs to be strengthened to ensure all clans of the region can live together peacefully … this is not just of interest to indigenous Northerners like me but also to the TFG, Great Britain and all our neighbouring countries (Ethiopia, Djibouti and Kenya).

        Hence, why we all need to support the British Prime Minister’s request for all regions to come to the table for peace talks… only through dialogue can consensus be reached and differences be resolved.

        Somalia is being abused by trivial quarrels, unnecessary hate, never ending grudge, terrorist thinking, uneducated tribal leaders who have no vision beyond their tribe, diseased individuals who are obsessed and blinded by clan flags and clan allegiance, refusal to see the common good, and of course the hopeless who never sees no light at the end of any tunnel, who chooses to remain ignorant in the face of enlightenment, who chooses to act deaf to the call of peace.

        Please let us all be the ones who put an end to this madness; let us be the change we all need to see. Let us avoid falling into the trap of another 20 years of tribe and alshabaab news… lets support the efforts of the British Government on this important agenda.

        This is a call to all peace loving Somali people from all regions.

        Somalia Somali Baa Leh (Somalia belongs to all the Somali people).

        Thanks
        Idil

        • A. Gurey says:

          Dear Bough

          Let me clarify onething to everybody, We as Somaliland we were enjoying for the last 20 years relative peace. Why UK and other entities are willing to force us the failed notion of great Somalia?..Please call first and formost Djabouti,NFD, Ogaden, because we have watched 50 years ago same edition, I was born and grew up Somaliland 20 years ago. I started of primary school and recently graduated one of the Somaliland Universities I was under the flag of Somaliland, I will sacrifice everything to my country.. and Now it is not the time of the unification somalia and Somaliland.

          Somalia is where we cheated!!!

        • khadar Said says:

          dear Idil
          i actually very sad about your little knowledge about the Somaliland History!, because you are repeatedly saying Northern Somalia (Somaliland,Awdal, khaartumo and Puntladn) where is Puntlad you are always including as part of the Ex northern somalia.

          ok i thing you don’t disagree with that Republic of Somalia contained Two States or say Countries or Say colonies called British Somaliland Protectorate and Italy Somaliland, so u say Puntladnd was part of somaliland protectorate ?.

          all in all the Solution of somalia is to make two Countries called Somalia and Somaliland who are peacefully living side by side

          • Mohamud Sayyed ali says:

            My learned friend Khadar no tribe can be a nation Somaliland is a trbal state known to the whole world period nothing you say or anyother entity will make it.Hence lets the poeples power have a say wake up

          • asurah says:

            khadar
            you are everywhere!
            still fighting for so called ‘somaliland’ the fake name because the name is right for all Somalia from rasasayr to raskamboni.
            and remember Awdale state and khaatumo state are belong to ‘Greater Somalia’.
            It is the time for SNM to give up and start healing the brainwashed kids of theirs in everywhere.

      • Drnuur says:

        hi
        somalia is one nation.one flag .one country it is not have border .one religion.islam .somalia it is need to solve proplem with out internatiol communite …. somaliland is part of somalia .khaatumo is part of somalia .awdal is part of somalia ….if u try to regocnize somaliland .tomorow it must to again regocnize khaatumo and net year it is must to rocogniz punland ……so.nave be opeing the way of somalia get new proplem …i would like to thank new state of somalai ..khaatumo…….. i am isaaq …but iam not like recognice ….,,,….i hope netx year to see one somali…..

  13. Adam says:

    I want to briefly share with you what needs to be done to put an end to this protracted Somali suffering once for all. The underline Somali issue is lacking a functional government. That needs to be the priority. Having a functional government will solve most of the issues that international communities, including Britain has in mind. To do that though, we need a genuine Somali strategy that put the Somali interest first but NOT International community strategy that puts its interest ahead of the Somali interest. Time after time, we, Somalis, have witnessed strategies that were developed for us and asked our so called leaders to implement them. Once those experiments fail, we got blamed and a new strategy is crafted and is tasked to our next leader- that vicious cycle continues to this day; that has to top and I hope this conference does the opposite of what we have been doing thus far.

    Hersi
    MN, USA

  14. Somali says:

    The problem is the Somali authority (Pre.Faroole,Pre.Shariif.The Speaker Shariif Hassan and the Yes man PM Abdiwali) we the Somali People are looking forward for your solution.

  15. M Geele says:

    Mr Baugh and his ilk will continue to make good life out of this process, while Somalis will continue to suffer and be a shame on Africa and humanity. I am just wondering why Somalis cannot solve their problem? And as for Somaliland, as long as we are free from international obligations, let us enjoy what we have and think about how one day we could send 200000 well armed boys to Somalia and claim our share, as other nations in the region are doing. And in our case, we shall not abuse any one. Instead we shall teach them how we liberated Somaliland from the likes of Mr BAUGH.

    Boy from Eel Sheikh, Republic of Somaliland

  16. Dear Matt Baugh
    Greetings of Peace . My name is Mohamed Ali Chairman of Somali American Peace Council. SAPC is a grass-roots organization established to help Somalia and its people. We are pleased that British Prime Minister David Cameron is hosting the upcoming conference on Somalia in February 2012. We would like to encourage you and your government to include the Diaspora community. We appreciate you and your government to take this positive step towards Somalia. We hope that UK becomes sincere peace maker. I will recommend the following:
    1- Stop the Ethiopian and Kenyan interference to Somali affairs
    2- Support peace makers from the Arab and other Muslim countries
    3- Abolish 4.5 clan based system
    4- Inclusive peace reconciliation
    5- Do not let Somalia be divided ( Historically the Europeans divided Somalia
    including the UK. However today our enemy Ethiopia is dividing Somalia )
    Thank you
    Mohamed Ali
    Chairman of Somalia American Peace Council

  17. Dr Abdishakur Jowhar says:

    I am a Somalilander. I believe in the ideals of this young nation, I believe in its promise.

    We in Somaliland have led a fragile existence over these two past decades within confines imposed by the powerful human imperatives of fear and hope; fear of becoming part of the Somali problem, of being forced to melt into the politics of chaos and statelessness, of turning into feuding tribes massacring each other on the barren lands. This fear and the resulting state of circling the wagons has kept us alive and allowed us to raise a generation in peace and democracy. Fear has been our ally, our savoir. And we have borders with hope too, distant yet alluring hope, that we as Somalilanders might be able to play a constructive role that would allow Somalis everywhere to pursue dreams that are compatible with life, dignity and survival. Hope that commitment of the Somaliland State to solution of the Somali problem may spell the difference between success and failure. I place emphasis here again on the term Somalilander, citizens who believe in the concept of Somaliland and who are willing to pay all costs associated with such a conviction; for self appointed representatives of all the tribes of Somaliland, has been part of all reconciliation conferences in Somalia.

    I wonder what role if any my fellow Somalis see for people like me; die hard Somalilanders, in this upcoming conference in London in particular and in the solution of the Somali crisis in general (except of course wishing us to die or go away to some other terrible fate)? Can Somaliland be part of the Solution or do some see its complete disintegration as part of the Solution?

    Sincerely
    Dr. A Jowhar

    • Omer Ahmed Hassan says:

      Hi, Dr. Jowhar:
      Yes. I believe that Somaliland can be part of Somalia’s solution. But first and foremost Somalia & its citizens must accept the fact that Somaliland is a country that exists and have existed before the failed union. Each one of them must recognize the other fully, to respect their wishes. Their recognition for each other will certainly create a friendly atmosphere of mutual understanding between the two sisterly countries that existed before, and can exist side by side once more – same like the Arab countries, or the Swahili-speaking East African ones. Their help to each other can start from there. But if we continuously deny one another, our major concerns will be ignored by us, and the rest of the world would be unable to help too. Thus continuous failures of all efforts, whether it is made by us or are orchestrated by international organizations. Thank you for opening that kind of positive dialogue between our successful Somaliland & the ailing Somalia country that needs our help. May God bless you, and may God bless all the positive-minded Somalilanders like you in this world. Once more, thank you & thanks to Matt as well as UK, since they are giving this good chance to Somalia.

    • anwar says:

      HI
      I belive if you want be part of the solution recognize somaliland If you don”t you are part of the of the prob and in that case our leaders don’t hesitated to walk out.
      The diffreances south somali and us ‘somaliland’ we are loyal to our leadres ,but somali who is their leader alshabaab, suna wal jameca ,pirates or so called TFG.mine telling me why we’re having this conferance.there’s no much British gov can do unless you recognise somaliland.well, If you’ll excuse me I’d better keep watching my border omg I’m hopping the police will catch him(al shabaab) before we we have to go that route somalia took it long time ago.

      • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

        While ‘Somalilanders’ are busy proclaiming democracy to the world, their kids are leaders of Al- shaabab and are busy wrecking havoc to the poor southerners who have just recovered from years of warlord-ism.

  18. Mohamud abdulahi Yusuf says:

    Hi Matt Baugh Somalia does not need to half solution but we expect London conference full solution .I think we should take first step ,so the out come of the London conference at 23 Feb…. 2012
    will be helpful hand from UK and world.

    I would like to high light her there is different interests from neighbor country and Somalia’s people I don’t know how UK government and the world to address this issue ?

    Secondly western world their major problem in Somalia is about piracy and Terrorist organization. If London conference focus only this two (piracy and Terrorist) it means Uk is not really want to get solution or help to Somalia .

    I hope UK will tell loudly to Somalia to forget colonial strategy of dividing of Somalia ,
    rather UK calling for Somalia to be party of Commonwealths.
    I remained her we heard world is very tired from us, we my change bad behavior we witness last 21 year in Somalia- so we can get the real help from them.
    Good lucky

  19. Prince Hassan says:

    Hi every body.
    Is it yet not the time to support the future of Somalia as a nation? You see that people whom have more problems and differences form nations and unity government and still piont their fingers at our failure.

    Why we have always to support outsiders ideology or the so called Balkanisation of Somali.?

    Just look to our neighbors both Ethiopia and kenya have very diverse of tribes that do not share even language and culture, forget about relligion.

    Yet these governments are claiming and working round the clock on supporting any Somali that is against establishing a unity government in Somalia.

    we just saw what agenda kenya had in invading Somalia and trying to create bufferzones inside the legitimate land of Somalia by killing many innocent Somali people.

    Don,t we are made of flesh and blood like other people? Why we have to give more chances to the enemy of our people?.

    I believe that the time has come that we forget our differences and see the hatrage by others toward our people and unite once and for all just for the sake of our own survival.

    thank you and engage peace with Somalia and the Somalis. We live togethar as brother or we perish togethar as fools! Martin Luther King

  20. Mohamed Omar says:

    Thanks for the update on the conference. I was wondering whether you can advise on attendance for young somalbritish graduates interested/ active on somali issues. I would be grateful if you can provide info on that. Thanks.

  21. Samsam Noor says:

    As a British citizen in UK, though i am originally from Buhodle (Dhulbahante), i take my children to Hargeisa then Buhodle for holidays, I feel as Somalilander, and i do not want to be part of Somalia rather than to be Somalilander because Somaliland is secure, have well established democracy, woman have role in civil society, and i believe somaliland have every right to fight the terrorists other wise it will be failure state like South Somalia, and way forward is referendum under UN. for north of Somalia other wise for long term will be like South of Somalia.

    • Salman Hassan says:

      This platform has been hijacked with people trying to misinform the public, especially to spread propaganda in the interest of the semi-autonomous region Somaliland.

      North Somalia has been a conflict area in the last 20 years, particularly in the Sool, Sanaag and Cayn region. This region has always supported Somali unity and recently declared Khaatumo State of Somalia.

      A few days ago Somaliland attacked the town Buhodle (part of Khaatumo State), following the declaration of Khaatumo State of Somalia in Taleex. The unrest in North Somalia should be taken seriously by the Somali community and the international community, and I believe it should be part of the agenda in the conference.

      • Idil says:

        Dear Salman

        Thank you for highlighting the fact that Samsam Noor is trying to mislead Matt by that fake sob story. It is really sad to see so many of my fellow Northerners, in particular my brothers & sisters from the Somaliland Clan (Isaq) ..creating unnecessary hate and false messages in this great announcement by the British Government.

        All my Somali people in Northern Somalia (Awdal State, Somaliland, Khaatumo State, Puntland) ….I hope you all understand how important this opportunity explained by Matt is for our country… this is not a time for jokes and tit tats, lets all grow up and see Matt’s message for what it really is rather than what your clan dictators tell you.

        Think of the common good, individualism will not save you nor keep you alive, we are all brothers and sisters… see the differences you hold as your poor imaginations and seek help (counselling) to restore any inner troubling feelings that you may have for your fellow Somalis (whether it is caused by your clan-dictators or just your ignorance).

        The past is done and dusted, it will not come back to haunt you (I promise)… so free yourself from hate and seek forgiveness and peace.
        What is good for you is also good for me …a better Somalia is what we all need not a clan-flag that goes nowhere… so lets join hands and pray for Somalia (at least for the sake of future generations).

        I hope all those who reject unity and peace will heed my message and thank the British Government for its efforts. Also ..all should thank Matt and the team making this conference possible.

        Thanks Salman

        Idil (proud British Somali)

        • A. Gurey says:

          Hi IDIL

          You misled the platform also,due to the fact that you were claiming to your previuos posts that you hail Isaq clan. So please be positive and calm. you are from Somaliland-stop spreading the propaganda!.

    • Abdi Askar says:

      In a cyber world, anyone can claim anyone. You can’t have to emphasis who you are if you were genuine about your point of view. Is it possible you take your children to Hargeisa rather than your hometown because your hometown is occupied territory or there is war going on to force people what they don’t want? Your childish argument proves the overall point of one family’s drive to divide Somalia.

  22. M.H.idriss says:

    Dear Sir, Matt Baugh
    This extraordinary conference comes very crucial time, when the leadership of the country is again in their usual in fight, confusion and with no vision to end this senseless war, misery, death and statelessness.
    This conference assesses some of the factors involved in the current luck of instability and doomed peace and reconciliation conferences of the past two decades in Somalia, there is a hope for Somalian people about the outcome of this Conference to be very difference than the past ones.

  23. Hassan Abdi says:

    Dear Matt Baugh:

    I believe any agenda regarding Somali Recociliation Conference Without priortising, first the issue between Somalia vs Somaliland will not result lasting peace in this region of Horn of Africa.

    The true solution will be to advise the authorities from prober Somalia to recognize the SOMALILAND’s independence . This is the inevitable reality in the ground. The overwhelming majority of Somali speaking people in the Horn Africa region are in that opinion. Somalilanders had decided not to be part in Somalia any more. So neither the international community nor the organisers of the forthcoming London conference cannot overlook the wishes and self determinantions of the people of Somaliland. Nintey seven per cent of Somalilanders voted in the referendum in which Britain was observor, more than a decade ago to be independent from Somalia. Indeed, the union in 1960 between the two Somali speaking countries was never ratified. And their brief history of toegherness in the past examplies one of oppersion on the part of the South Somalis on Somalilanders and struggle of latter for independence. I sum up: for this conference to succeed Somalia must recognize Somaliland as independent country.

    • my name is ibraahin i somalilander i suport my country becouse 1960 somalilanders made unit of somalia but somaliland is not get respect and fair that is way somalilanders anouced somalialnd peapole believe somaliwayn they are not the teality iam request british goverment to suporty somalialnd

  24. aalia says:

    Frankly speaking are we ready to end all these conflicts yet?! I don’t think we are ready for it yet. We can talk, dispute, argue, challenge, compete, and discriminate till we die because we have the energy; the ability as well as we all have a roof our head. But truly speaking, let’s be honest and speak from our heart not from the mouth! Thanks for the support, it’s never too late to get such a help! Thanks to Selma, (The wise woman builds her house, but with her own hands the foolish one tear hers down).
    Thanks MATT and our UK GOVERNMENT, hosting such conference, weather they think themselves because of the pirates & terrorism, is global issue or to Britain, it’s also concerns us. We know the young men have been manipulated and mislead by the some of business men and the people work for the governments, they’ve been equipped by them and provided weapons and boats in order to hijack other ship, so the people behind them make money out of them, and they don’t even get good paid from the ransom they end up in prison, 10-15 years in New York. Terrorism is not doing any beneficial to our people, whether they are Somali or Muslim, we don’t care. People won’t suffer and won’t experience this terrible feminine if we had peace. We have any sort of Natural resources, farms, food grains, animal and vegetable, rivers, big sea, oils, petroleum products, construction materials, manufactured products and so many other recourses, but the ongoing violence preventing them to utilize it. Why don’t we take advantage of it and let people live in peace. Coming back to my point and as some people commented, at this stage we cannot ignore 4.5 formal, at this stage, and hope not to include the people who already are MP. We can select or elected effective, useful members who can deal with their people (TRIBE), or the regional governments who can take responsibility, we know all these kidnapping and pirates incidents happened under regional governments states, and I hope everyone will be accountable for their action or whatever happened in their territory I hope it’s good starts. As we all know, all the MP’s selected the4.5 formula, based on tribe. However none of them can go back to talk to their tribe/clan they represent, what kind of MP is that? And why is he/she there for? They are not doing any work; we don’t need these people anymore. Personally speaking (am HAWIYE) I cannot go to punt land/Somaliland to represent from other government, at the present time. Who am I to talk about or represent when a native person can deal the situation better? The main problem is HAWIYE now I cannot solve or deal other problem when mine is at hand. I hope people have worm heart and take advantage of this conference and support their people, corruption and money does build our country. I like what Matt said, and I truly hope people will understand this and stop their remote control which we all have power over and given a wrong direction to the unskilled/ illiterate MP who don’t know, who are they getting command from.
    “Together with colleagues in London and in British Missions around the world, we continue to consult widely with our Somali and international partners. These consultations will continue over the next weeks.”
    I am not sure the Somali leader who are coming, but knowing those who are leader they are leader for themselves, we need people who are fair and educated, we had so many conferences,it never went according to plane but this hope it will work as MATT gathering s many thoughts, remarks, idea, comments and hope that will help and gives hints to plan with his missions. I wish you will succeed for your role and will have impact on our nation for ever, in shalaah and good luck MATT

  25. Keenadeed says:

    Hello Matt Baugh,

    We appreciate Britain’s involvement in Somalia’s reconciliation process and help seek a lasting solutions for Somalia’s problems. Surely, the key problem in Somalia is the tribal problem – the tribal problem of Somalia is its political problem and it’s more so in the northern part of the country. I would liked not to mention tribal names here, however, omitting this fact will take us away from realistically tackle the fundamental problem that failed Somalia.

    So, the north part of Somalia comprise of the following communities: the secessionist SNM rebel group had been renamed as Somaliland – the Isaaq Somali Tribe. The unionist Awdal State of Somalia – The Samaroon Somali Tribe, the unionist Khaatumo State of Somalia – the Dhulbahante Somali tribe, and the up coming (in the pipeline) unionist Makhir State of Somalia the warsangeli Somali Tribe.

    Obviously, it’s evident beyond doubt that the bogus claim of the one clan secession who inhabit in a small part of North Somalia that the secession is supported by all tribes in the north is completely baseless. Likewise, your characterization of the one clan secessionist enclave of Somaliland as one of areas that enjoy relative peace is regrettable.

    For example, the unionist Dhulbahante Tribe has come together and held a well arranged grand conference in Taleex town from December 26, 2012 and currently in its final stage to be concluded in just few days. The conference has been attended by representatives of all sections of the SSC communities (Sool, Sanaag, and Cayn) – politicians, traditional leaders, civil society, womwn’s groups, youth, religious groups etc..In this conference the SSC communities who inhabit a territory about 50% of the north of Somalia has established their own Regional Administration that supports the Somali unity “Khaatumo State of Somalia” which they announced to be part of the Transitional Federal Government of Somalia.

    Unfortunately, as soon as the Khaatumo State of Somalia is declared, the one clan Isaaq enclave launched an attack on the peaceful SSC town of
    Buhodle where they killed a number of innocent civilians and injured many others. The SSC people has repulsed the secessionist attack on Bohodle on the 15th of january 2012 and pushed the aggressors about 25 kilometers away of Buhodle. Now, the two armies are still not far from each other and a long and destructive tribal war could break at any moment.. In addition, the Isaaq secessionists keep their daily attacks, killings, jailing, hijacking, torturing innocent civilans population in the occupied city of Lasanod. Even though the Isaaq engage in all the above mentioned atrocities in the SSC land, yet the fact of the matter is that the one clan secessionists loosely control a small part of SSC territory, 95% of the SSC territories are under the control of the SSC people. It’s worth mentioning that the Khaatumo State of Somalia has offered the olive peace branch to the secessionist Somaliland tribe to peacefully evacuate the Khaatumo territories and accept a peaceful co-existence and mutual cooperation. However, the sad part is that the secessionists in their all folks of life including their top tradional leaders, politicians, and religious groups are with no exception united on the aggression, killings, and displacements of the population of the unionist Khaatumo State of Somalia.

    I would like also to point out the false democracy claimed by the secessionists who run everything according to tribal lines within their enclave – just one clan. Case in point is the so called tribal political parties are owned and supported by a specific clan. Thus, the results of all so called bogus elections are fixed (planned in advance). Those bogus elections never took place in the Khaatumo State of Somalia territories, because the unionist population there neither recognize them nor accept them..

    Hence the north of Somalia is in crisis mode, wars, and conflict that could progress very quickly to a situation far worse than the south of Somalia, if not intervened by the international community and the aggression of the secessionist camp on the unionist camp of the north stopped and the secessionist Isaaq tribe advised to pull their tribal militia back to their tribal territories, and away from the Khaatumo State of Somalia territory.

    In conclusion, we hope that we contributed to explain the reality on the ground in the northern part of Somalia, and we suggest that all the stakeholders in the north of Somalia be invited to the conference as equal participants to arrive at an inclusive solution that takes care of addressing the root cause of the problem in Somalia, the rest will take care of itself.

    Keenadeed

    • Ahmed says:

      Sadly, you are trying to find a cinch in the armour. What matters most is the reality on the ground and as long as we are in self- denial, any long term solutions to our chronic problems will remain as far as the end of the Universe. The main scope of conference is to find a lasting solution to the madness and mayhem in the old house of Casa Nostra. The issue of Somaliland is completely out of the agenda.
      As British citizen who almost lives next to Windsor castle, I believe, first things first. We all have to contribute positively to render this golden opportunity, at least partially, successful so as to alleviate the suffering of the Somali people. We, all know that Somalis are today nothing but the laughing stock among the international community. It is natural to go through conflicts and civil strife but has there being any nation which suffered so much and so long as we had (more than two decades). This is not only a civil war but we brought shame to our name through piracy, through terrorism, through Warlordism etc.
      In regard to Somaliland case, they say it takes two to tango. So once Mogadishu comes to its sense, Hargeisa will be ready to extend a cordial hand to their brothers in Mogadishu so as to reach a lasting and tangible settlement. However, knowing where the majority of S/landers stand, the most probable outcome is self-determination (like southern Sudan) not a penny less not a penny more. That is will be the beginning of a new Pan-Somalilandism (different from old drums of Somaliweyn). Please remember today,there are already over one hundred thousand southerners in Somaliland who feel happily at home. Also there are tenth of thousands of Harti people who are proudly living in Hargeisa, Berbera and Burco (Even Abdi Bile Abdi was there last week).
      Personally, I believe, the current civil strife in some parts of Sool, and Togdheer (that is what you & ilk called Khatuumo state and which others are already calling Khatummo-seeg) will either evaporate into thin air (because economically is unviable, its population is very small and alas! Its people are divided and more importantly it is land locked on either side). But even if it prevails for a while, it will eventually has to join either their brethren’s in the Somaliland (Oodee ab ka dhow) or their brothers in south (blood is thicker than water).
      They say distortion of facts amounts to naked lies. While it is true there are some grievances in the eastern parts of eastern regions, the people in Awdale/Selal genuinely believe their destiny is interwoven with Somaliland. They are among the most prosperous S/land regions (Just compare Borama with Gabiley). They are part and parcel (apart from insignificant daylight dreamers who lives overseas). The people of Awdale region have invested too much in S/land and therefore have a very high stake in its very existences. So stopping wasting your time knowing the doors and using meaningless names. Everyone can insanely open a coffee shop in London or Washington or in Tornto with the logos like Hargeisa-land, sahel-land Salel-land Makhir land Darwiish-land and even SCC= land etc.
      I wonder what is await you and ilk in Mogadishu. Your unholy alliance with
      the old pariah or the recent blunderer from Puntland is still fresh in the minds of many morians. First you will be lurred and entrapped and then your fate will follow of many your blood innocent brothers/sisters. Alas! the word Somali unit is the allure. Do my blood brothers/siters in Mogadishu has more hatred and contempt than you and Ilk. T

      All in all, it will be foolish to assume the forthcoming conference will solve our current mayhem overnight. There is already severe drought looming in many parts of the Horn. Al-Shabab and their terroraffiliate are just melting away and proving difficult to defeat them easily (check the NEWS of Mogadishu just what happened last night in Karan district). There are deepening rift among the so called transitional parliament and who knows what will happen in August or when the exit strategy of AMISOM becomes closer than ever? So a comprehensive peace including with the moderate elements of Al-Shabab is still a long way.
      Before I finish, please take a leaf from my good book. Be realistic. There is no point of fan the fire. There is no point of adding an insult to injury. Your brethren’s were a separate entity before voluntarily joining your brethren’s in the south. I have no a grain of doubt that they will again hold up their hands together one day. But not and repeat not in old way. So waste time searching a cinch in their armour.
      Whether parts of Sool and Togdheer regions join Mogadishu, Somaliland’s destiny in the hands of its people. And the overwhelming majority of its laypeople (including a good number hailing from Sool) are no mode to start it all over again. So whether we love or loathe it, Somaliland is here to stay. As independent and sovereign and state, it is ready to accommodate the Future of Pan-Somalilandism.
      Just to give a clue, who is in the backseat of this conference. Of course, His Excellency, the prime minister, David Cameron and his right-hand man, Hon. D. Bellham, the minister for Commonwealth and African Affairs but there is another man. Better you find him out. He was here in Nov/Dec, 2011.
      Regards
      By.
      Ahmed (Somalilander by birth, British citizen by choice, and Pan-Somalilandist by convection)

      • Idil says:

        Dear Ahmed..

        It is really sad to see so many of my fellow Northerners, in particular my brothers & sisters from the Somaliland Clan (Isaq) ..creating unnecessary hate and false messages in this great announcement by the British Government.

        All my Somali people in Northern Somalia (Awdal State, Somaliland, Khaatumo State, Puntland) ….I hope you all understand how important this opportunity explained by Matt is for our country… this is not a time for jokes and tit tats, lets all grow up and see Matt’s message for what it really is rather than what your clan dictators tell you.

        Think of the common good, individualism will not save you nor keep you alive, we are all brothers and sisters… see the differences you hold as your poor imaginations and seek help (counselling) to restore any inner troubling feelings that you may hold for your fellow Somalis (whether it is caused by your clan-dictators or just your ignorance).

        The past is done and dusted, it will not come back to haunt you (I promise)… so please free yourself from hate and seek forgiveness and peace.

        What is good for Northern Somalia (Awdal State, Somaliland, Khaatumo State and Puntland) is also good for Southern Somalia and all other regions of Somalia, hence why this meeting is calling all sections to come to the table.

        …a better Somalia is what we all need not a clan-flag that goes nowhere… so lets join hands and pray for Somalia (at least for the sake of future generations).

        I hope all clan thinking individuals (like Ahmed) who reject unity and peace will heed my message and thank the British Government for its efforts. Also ..all should thank Matt and the team making this conference possible.

        Idil (proud British Somali)

        • Rasheed says:

          After over 20 years of civil war, it is time all Somalians regardles of their clan affiliation seriously think what unites them rather than things that divides them. Somalians should learn and accept to co exist together while disagreeing.

    • Ahmed says:

      Sadly, you are trying to find a cinch in the armour. What matters most is the reality on the ground and as long as we are in self- denial, any long term solutions to our chronic problems will remain as far as the end of the Universe. The main scope of conference is to find a lasting solution to the madness and mayhem in the old house of Casa Nostra. The issue of Somaliland is completely out of the agenda.
      As British citizen who almost lives next to Windsor castle, I believe, first things first. We all have to contribute positively to render this golden opportunity, at least partially, successful so as to alleviate the suffering of the Somali people. We, all know that Somalis are today nothing but the laughing stock among the international community. It is natural to go through conflicts and civil strife but has there being any nation which suffered so much and so long as we had (more than two decades). This is not only a civil war but we brought shame to our name through piracy, through terrorism, through Warlordism etc.
      In regard to Somaliland case, they say it takes two to tango. So once Mogadishu comes to its sense, Hargeisa will be ready to extend a cordial hand to their brothers in Mogadishu so as to reach a lasting and tangible settlement. However, knowing where the majority of S/landers stand, the most probable outcome is self-determination (like southern Sudan) not a penny less not a penny more. That is will be the beginning of a new Pan-Somalilandism (different from old drums of Somaliweyn). Please remember there are over one hundred thousand southerners in Somaliland today who feel at home. Also there are tenth of thousands of Harti people who are proudly living in Hargeisa, Berbera and Burco (Even Abdi Bile Abdi was there last week).
      Personally, I believe, the current civil strife in some parts of Sool, and Togdheer (that is what you & ilk called Khatuumo state and which others are already calling Khatummo-seeg) will either evaporate into thin air (because economically is unviable, its population is very small and alas! Its people are divided and more importantly it is land locked on either side). But even if it prevails for a while, it will eventually has to join either their brethren’s in the Somaliland (Oodee ab ka dhow) or their brothers in south (blood is thicker than water).
      They say distortion of facts amounts to naked lies. While it is true there are some grievances in the eastern parts of eastern regions, the people in Awdale/Selal genuinely believe their destiny lies within Somaliland. They are among the most prosperous S/land regions (Just compare Borama with Gabiley). They are part and parcel (apart from insignificant daylight dreamers who lives overseas). The people of Awdale region have invested too much in S/land and therefore have a very high stake in its existences. So forget wasting your time using meaningless names. Everyone can insanely open a coffee shop in London with the logo Hargeisa-land, sahel-land Salel-land Makhir land Darwiish-land and even SCC= land etc.
      All in all, it will be foolish to assume the forthcoming conference will solve our current mayhem overnight. There is already severe drought looming in many parts of the Horn. Al-Shabab and their terroraffiliate are just melting away and proving difficult to defeat them easily (check the NEWS of Mogadishu just what happened last night in Karan district). There are deepening rift among the so called transitional parliament and who knows what will happen in August or when the exit strategy of AMISOM becomes closer than ever? So a comprehensive peace including with the moderate elements of Al-Shabab is still remain elusive and a very hard goal to achieve.

      Before I finish, please take a leaf from my good book. Be realistic. There is no point of fan the fire. There is no point of adding an insult to injury.your brethren’s in north were a separate entity before voluntarily joining your brethren’s in the south. I have no a grain of doubt that they will again hold up their hands together one day. But not and repeat not in old way. So waste no time searching a cinch in their armour.
      Whether or not parts of Sool and Togdheer regions join Mogadishu, Somaliland’s destiny in the hands of its people. And the overwhelming majority of its laypeople (including a good number hailing from Sool) are no mode to start it all over again. So whether we love or loathe it, Somaliland is here to stay. As independent and sovereign state, it is ready to accommodate the Future of Pan-Somalilandism.

      Just to give a clue, who is in the backseat of this conference. Of course, His Excellency, the prime minister, David Cameron and his right-hand man, Hon. D. Bellham, the minister for Commonwealth and African Affairs but there is another man. Better you find him out. He was here in Nov/Dec, 2011.

      Regards

      By.
      Ahmed (Somalilander by birth, British citizen by choice, and Pan-Somalilandist by convection)

      • Idil says:

        Dear Ahmed..

        It is really sad to see so many of my fellow Northerners, in particular my brothers & sisters from the Somaliland Clan (Isaq) ..creating unnecessary hate and false messages in this great announcement by the British Government.

        All my Somali people in Northern Somalia (Awdal State, Somaliland, Khaatumo State, Puntland) ….I hope you all understand how important this opportunity explained by Matt is for our country… this is not a time for jokes and tit tats, lets all grow up and see Matt’s message for what it really is rather than what your clan dictators tell you.

        Think of the common good, individualism will not save you nor keep you alive, we are all brothers and sisters… see the differences you hold as your poor imaginations and seek help (counselling) to restore any inner troubling feelings that you may hold for your fellow Somalis (whether it is caused by your clan-dictators or just your ignorance).

        The past is done and dusted, it will not come back to haunt you (I promise)… so please free yourself from hate and seek forgiveness and peace.

        What is good for Northern Somalia (Awdal State, Somaliland, Khaatumo State and Puntland) is also good for Southern Somalia and all other regions of Somalia, hence why this meeting is calling for all sections to come to the table.

        …a better Somalia is what we all need not a clan-flag that goes nowhere… so lets join hands and pray for Somalia (at least for the sake of future generations).

        I hope all clan thinking individuals (like Ahmed) who reject unity and peace will heed my message and thank the British Government for its efforts. Also ..all should thank Matt and the team making this conference possible.

        Idil (proud British Somali)

      • asurah says:

        HI ahmed,
        Can you please give us a hint how what you have said is going to happened???.
        Of course you have rights to choose if you want to be a country but
        that is not going to be beyond Northwest region of somalia!. that is the area, you belong to, so do not belittle yourself. Other people in previous ‘somaliland protectrate’ such as Awdale State and Khaatumo State have made up their mind, do you know that?. if not, open your eyes and hears.

    • Ahmed says:

      Sadly, you are trying to find a cinch in the armour. What matters most is the reality on the ground and as long as we are in self- denial, any long term solutions to our chronic problems will remain as far as the end of the Universe. The main scope of conference is to find a lasting solution to the madness and mayhem in the old house of Casa Nostra. The issue of Somaliland is completely out of the agenda.

      As British citizen who almost lives next to Windsor castle, I believe, first things first. We all have to contribute positively to render this golden opportunity, at least partially, successful so as to alleviate the suffering of the Somali people. We, all know that Somalis are today nothing but the laughing stock among the international community. It is natural to go through conflicts and civil strife but has there being any nation which suffered so much and so long as we had (more than two decades). This is not only a civil war but we brought shame to our name through piracy, through terrorism, through Warlordism etc.

      In regard to Somaliland case, they say it takes two to tango. So once Mogadishu comes to its sense, Hargeisa will be ready to extend a cordial hand to their brothers in Mogadishu so as to reach a lasting and tangible settlement. However, knowing where the majority of S/landers stand, the most probable outcome is self-determination (like southern Sudan) not a penny less not a penny more. That is will be the beginning of a new Pan-Somalilandism (different from old drums of Somaliweyn). Please remember there are over one hundred thousand southerners in Somaliland today who feel happily at home. Also there are tenth of thousands of Harti people who are proudly living in Hargeisa, Berbera and Burco (Even Abdi Bile Abdi was there last week).

      Personally, I believe, the current civil strife in some parts of Sool, and Togdheer (that is what you & ilk called Khatuumo state and which others are already calling Khatummo-seeg) will either evaporate into thin air (because economically is unviable, its population is very small and alas! Its people are divided and more importantly it is land locked on either side). But even if it prevails for a while, it will eventually has to join either their brethren’s in the Somaliland (Oodee ab ka dhow) or their brothers in south (blood is thicker than water).

      They say distortion of facts amounts to naked lies. While it is true there are some grievances in the eastern parts of eastern regions, the people in Awdale/Selal genuinely believe their destiny lies within Somaliland. They are among the most prosperous S/land regions (Just compare Borama with Gabiley). They are part and parcel (apart from insignificant daylight dreamers who lives overseas). The people of Awdale region have invested too much in S/land and therefore have a very high stake in its very existences. So waste no time using meaningless names. Everyone can insanely open a coffee shop in London with the logo Hargeisa-land, sahel-land Salel-land Makhir land Darwiish-land and even SCC= land etc.

      All in all, it will be foolish to assume the forthcoming conference will solve our current mayhem overnight. There is already severe drought looming in many parts of the Horn. Al-Shabab and their terroraffiliate are just melting away and proving difficult to defeat them easily (check the NEWS of Mogadishu just what happened last night in Karan district). There are deepening rift among the so called transitional parliament and who knows what will happen in August or when the exit strategy of AMISOM becomes closer than ever? So a comprehensive peace including with the moderate elements of Al-Shabab is still a long way.
      Before I finish, please take a leaf from my good book. Be realistic. There is no point of fan the fire. There is no point of adding an insult to injury. Your brethren’s were a separate entity before voluntarily joining your brethren’s in the south. I have no a grain of doubt that they will again hold up their hands together one day. But not and repeat not in old way. So waste time searching a cinch in their armour.

      Whether parts of Sool and Togdheer regions join Mogadishu, Somaliland’s destiny in the hands of its people. And the overwhelming majority of its laypeople (including a good number hailing from Sool) are no mode to start it all over again. So whether we love or loathe it, Somaliland is here to stay. As independent and sovereign and state, it is ready to accommodate the Future of Pan-Somalilandism.

      Just to give a clue, who is in the backseat of this conference. Of course, His Excellency, the prime minister, David Cameron and his right-hand man, Hon. D. Bellham, the minister for Commonwealth and African Affairs but there is another man. Better you find him out. He was here in Nov/Dec, 2011.

      Regards

      By.
      Ahmed (Somalilander by birth, British citizen by choice, and Pan-Somalilandist by convection)

      • Idil says:

        Dear Ahmed..

        It is really sad to see so many of my fellow Northerners, in particular my brothers & sisters from the Somaliland Clan (Isaq) ..creating unnecessary hate and false messages in this great announcement by the British Government.

        All my Somali people in Northern Somalia (Awdal State, Somaliland, Khaatumo State, Puntland) ….I hope you all understand how important this opportunity explained by Matt is for our country… this is not a time for jokes and tit tats, lets all grow up and see Matt’s message for what it really is rather than what your clan dictators tell you.

        Think of the common good, individualism will not save you nor keep you alive, we are all brothers and sisters… see the differences you hold as your poor imaginations and seek help (counselling) to restore any inner troubling feelings that you may hold for your fellow Somalis (whether it is caused by your clan-dictators or just your ignorance).

        The past is done and dusted, it will not come back to haunt you (I promise)… so please free yourself from hate and seek forgiveness and peace.

        What is good for Northern Somalia (Awdal State, Somaliland, Khaatumo State and Puntland) is also good for Southern Somalia all other regions of Somalia, hence why this meeting is calling all sections to come to the table.

        …a better Somalia is what we all need not a clan-flag that goes nowhere… so lets join hands and pray for Somalia (at least for the sake of future generations).

        I hope all clan thinking individuals (like Ahmed) who reject unity and peace will heed my message and thank the British Government for its efforts. Also ..all should thank Matt and the team making this conference possible.

        Idil (proud British Somali)

      • Abdi Askar says:

        You can claim all you want and you can seem as objective as secessionist can look, but there is one thing you can’t change. And that is the fact that Somaliland defined by colonial borders is dead. You will never convince people who were never part of your project to be part of it now. You can’t use force to make them accept what they rejected 20+ years of illness in Somali proper. The sooner you understand the limitation of your misguided drive the better for Somalia. If in fact you think one clan can be its own government, I have no objection by all means go and try. But, Somalia and its borders are known you can either build bridges to nowhere or work for the common goal. It’s your call.

  26. Aden says:

    Let us clarify who is invited here:
    1. Somalia : Former Italian colony now in major crisis
    2. Somali Republic : The entity created after the unification but was replaced by Siad Barre with Somali Democratic Republic which ceased to exist in19991.
    3. Somaliland: Former British protectorate that voluntarily united with Somalia in 1960 but reclaimed its independence in 1991 after a genocide to become The republic of Somaliland with elected president and parliament.
    Please clarify this because without this clarification, the situation could become worse.
    Thanks
    Aden

    • Idil says:

      Dear Aden..

      It is really sad to see so many of my fellow Northerners, in particular my brothers & sisters from the Somaliland Clan (Isaq) ..creating unnecessary hate and false messages in this great announcement by the British Government.

      All my Somali people in Northern Somalia (Awdal State, Somaliland, Khaatumo State, Puntland) ….I hope you all understand how important this opportunity explained by Matt is for our country… this is not a time for jokes and tit tats, lets all grow up and see Matt’s message for what it really is rather than what your clan dictators tell you.

      Please Aden…Think of the common good, individualism will not save you nor keep you alive, we are all brothers and sisters… see the differences you hold as your poor imaginations and seek help (counselling) to restore any inner troubling feelings that you may hold for your fellow Somalis (whether it is caused by your clan-dictators or just your ignorance).

      The past is done and dusted, it will not come back to haunt you (I promise)… so please free yourself from hate and seek forgiveness and peace.

      What is good for Northern Somalia (Awdal State, Somaliland, Khaatumo State and Puntland) is also good for Southern Somalia and all other regions of Somalia, hence why this meeting is calling all sections to come to the table.

      …a better Somalia is what we all need not a clan-flag that goes nowhere… so lets join hands and pray for Somalia (at least for the sake of future generations).

      I hope all clan thinking individuals in Northern Somalia who are waving the Isaq Clan flag.. who reject unity and peace will heed my message and thank the British Government for its efforts.

      Also ..I hope you all come to your senses and take this opportunity to thank Matt and all the team who are making this conference possible.

      Idil (proud British Somali)

  27. Lyn Morrish says:

    Hullo Matt

    Please carefully consider the concerns and point of views expressed by Hussan Mao and Hussan Gurey over who will represent the Somali Community.

    Regards Lyn Morrish.

  28. Bidhaan says:

    We salute British efforts in Somaliland , is high time that UN should organize referundum of self determination for the people of Somaliland . So the world will be the judge . We waited the world more than 20 years .

    • Idil says:

      Bidhaan yes indeed…

      I am glad that the clan issues in Northern Somalia will be taken into account in this important meeting, hence the invitation of the Somaliland Clan to the table as well as the Puntland Government. I have high hopes for the meeting as it come just when the tribal conflicts of Northern Somalia was at its highest (e.g. the current conflict between the Isaq (Somaliland Clan) and the Dhulbahante (Khaatumo State of Somalia)… and the increasing calls from the Samaron/Gadabursi (Awdal State of Somalia).

      I hope this meeting will lead to a road map to peace for all the clan issues we see in Northern Somalia… for the benefit of all clans and most importantly for the benefit of our country as a whole.

      Thanks
      Idil

      • khadar Said says:

        IDIL
        AGAIIN
        It is clear that ur debate is too far from the justice say here u say “Somaliland Clan and Puntland Government” what a messy justice u have!!!

        Britain and most of the oher countries in this wold is not currently knowing the truth about somaliland and its situation, it is now over 20 yrs as Somaliland was an independent State who shined East African policy or let me say all African countries are now learning from Somaliland Democracy and free and fair Elections.

        all in all now it is time to forget the late dream of GREAR SOMALIA and it is time the wold to recognize the INDEPENDENCE OF SOMALILAND.

    • asurah says:

      to bidhaan
      I found very strange these mentality of people call themsleves ‘somaliland’. it is your problem to salute or not, by the way, we are not surprised for the love you have to be a slave for….
      I heard, isaq people had not wanted to be liberated from Britain and took half a year to convience them. Is that why theycall themselves ‘british somaliland’.
      viva Khaatumo State of Somalia and Awdalite State of somalia.

  29. Mohamed Harun says:

    Hi Mr Baugh.

    Britain has stayed away from the Somalia quagmire in the past 20 years because, in its old view, it has no interest to be a front running member with regard to the question of peace and stability in Somalia. I understand the fact that states are not a charitable organisations, and their movements and decitions are always interest driven. Coming from that basic rule of ‘interest’, Britain is now concerned about the safety of the Somalia waterway and the effects that has on its trade flaw in the region!

    Fine, no problem! You and your government will not be ashamed to pursue your own nation’s interest, and it is extremely good and fabulous if the realisation of your interest opens up a window of opportunity for the Somali people! Having said that, if the British Government wants this attempt to be successful, you should plan and execute this important event differently. You and perhaps everybody else recalls that there where 16 or so various reconciliation conferences which were convened for the sake of the peace and stability for Somalia, and regrettably, all those attempts has helped the situation in Somalia only to deteriorate.

    One of the major and detrimental elements that went wrong in all those various past conferences was, among other things, the fact that the international community has chosen to consider Somalia as one block and disregarded the views of great part of the Somali people. In this sense I mean Somaliland, the hub of peace and stability in the region! So, if the upcoming February conference follows that old and counter-productive strategy of ‘generalisation’ and ‘simplification’ of Somalia’s problem, and ignore the facts on the ground, it will fail before it starts. In my view, no one wants this conference to end up in that destiny, and Britain would not gain anything to hoste the 17th fruitless Somali conference on its soil. Before you craft the fabric of the next meeting, a long-lasting Solution of the Somali people must be in your attention. You should help the former British and Italian Somalia to talk to each other and decide their destiny. If that case is set aside for the first time in the past 20 years, more than 50% of the Somali people’s problem is sorted, and the rest, IE, the multi-dimensional crisis of the former Italian Somalia will be sorted in one way or the other. The Somali competing groups, as well as the international community will have lesser problem to deal with if the question of Somaliland gets out of their way. If not, whatever comes out of this long and protracted effort will be firstly rejected by Somaliland, and subsequently other various groups in the Southern part of the country who perhaps do not see their interest out of this will follow suit! End of the Somalia conference 2012 in the UK!

    Goodluck for the upcoming conference!

  30. I think the International Community and the UK Government want still ready dont want to fully understand and solve the agonising problems paralaysed the somali statehood for the past twenty one years.

    What makes me shocked and I didnot still understand is how Matt Baugh confused Somaliland to Somalia and if this so called conference’s agenda have been drawn like I can see now it almost seems unsuccesfull.

    My point is that UK interests in the critical regions like the Horn of Africa require security and stability, neither of which will be achieved by shoring up inherently illegitimate and, in fact, destabilizing regimes constructed at some international conference center. If one seeks the domestication into international society of the former Somalia, recognize well-deserving (and de facto independent) Somaliland, so let me make clear Somaliland to Mr. Maut Baugh Somaliland’s independence is irrevocable and its people will fight for their rights and freedom what ever it costs.

    Somaliland was a separate British Protectorate, with clear internationally delineated boundaries until 26 June 1960 when it became the independent State of Somaliland. Of the 18 African countries, which became independent in 1960, Somaliland was the fourth country in that year and was welcomed by 35 nations including 5 United Nation Permanent members. Somalia[1] (former Italian trusteeship) was the seventh African country to become independent that year (with Madagascar and the Democratic Republic of Congo receiving their independence in between).

    3. The people of the independent State of Somaliland were at that time imbued with a desire to create a union of the Somali inhabited territories, which were French Somaliland (now the Republic of Djibouti), the Ethiopian regions inhabited by Somalis, Italian Somalia and the Northern Districts of Kenya. The State of Somaliland therefore promptly and hurriedly, without any pre-conditions, formed a union with Somalia on July 1st, 1960 presuming the affection they had for Somali nationalism would be reciprocal.

    The ill-fated union

    4. The folly of this ill thought and precipitate union became clear to the Somaliland people almost immediately when the legal formalities of the union were never completed properly; a constitution which was unacceptable to Somaliland was pushed through by the in-built majority of Somalia; and Somaliland was quickly reduced to the status of a far flung region in a country governed by and from the Somalian capital city of Mogadishu.

    5. Worse was to come, however, when a Somalia dominated dictatorship ruled the whole country with an iron fist and set out to obliterate what was left of the distinct nature of Somaliland well before it started the torture and killing of the Somaliland people. Other Somalis have suffered under the Dictatorship, but the Dictatorship declared a war on the Somaliland people which led to, as documented by Amnesty International in 1990, “ the deaths of 50,000 people, the aerial bombardment of major cities and the exodus of nearly million people to desolate refugee camps.” To this day, the seasonal rains expose the mass graves of Somaliland women, children and men.

    The end of the union

    6. With the collapse of the dictatorship and the clear attempts by Somalians to carry on business as usual, the people of Somaliland exercised their right to self-determination in the light of the genocide that was visited upon them. In May 1991 the union of the two states ceased to exist after Somalilanders waged a liberation front to reclaim their independence. All the communities (clans) in Somaliland were represented at the meeting in which the decision was made and at the subsequent peace making conferences organized by Somalilanders on their own. History is replete with examples of unions of states that have not worked. The people of Somaliland therefore reasserted their sovereignty and the second independent Republic of Somaliland was re-born.

    Building a peaceful & democratic country

    7. For the last 15 years, Somalilanders have established peace in their country, and without much help from outside have built a democratic state with a two House legislature, an executive headed by a President elected on a national vote, and a Judiciary. Somaliland held a popular national referendum in 2000, which endorsed the Constitution, nation-wide local councils election in 2002, presidential elections in 2003 and parliamentary elections in 2005. There is a free press and Somalilanders value and exercise their rights of __expression and assembly in a region where such rights are not so readily allowed.

    The unique case of Somaliland

    8. Somalilanders therefore emphasize that the case of Somaliland is unique and the recognition of Somaliland will not set any precedent or infringe any AU/OAU rules. There is no other former independent state in Africa, which is now wishing to leave that union. There were territories, like the Cameroon and Eritrea, governed by different colonialists that may have merged or were annexed before or at independence, but that is not the case of Somaliland. However brief the life of the independent State of Somaliland was, it was juridical and, as a matter of fact, a separate state with a constitution, a prime minister, an elected parliament, which under the Constitution was to serve for 3 years (see Article 18), a judiciary and a fully functioning police and civil service. More importantly, Somaliland entered into international agreements with Great Britain that deposited at the United Nations under Article 102 of the UN Charter. Even the final Act of Union which was passed by the national assembly of the Somali Republic a year and half (31 January 1961) after the union of Somaliland and Somalia took place makes it clear that the only treaties and obligations that will be adhered to by the Somali Republic are the obligations set out in sections 57 and 58 of the State of Somaliland Constitution and the treaties entered into by the independent governments of Somaliland and Somalia. As Somalia had no independent government before 1 July 1960, this clause applied only to treaties entered into by the independent State of Somaliland, yet, time and time again, this simple fact is unknown to many Africans and is deliberately overlooked by Somalians opposed to Somaliland independence.

    Somaliland boundaries

    8. The significance of the existence of the independent State of Somaliland in 1960 is also that its international boundaries became, on its independence on 26 June 1960, the boundaries, which were in accordance with the OAU’s 1964 Cairo Declaration calling for respect for international boundaries on independence. This principle of “respect of borders existing on achievement of independence” is again enshrined in Article 4(b) of the Constitutive Act of the African Union. It is a re-statement of the principle of uti possedetis which simply provided that states emerging from de-colonization shall presumptively inherit the colonial administrative borders that they held at the time of independence. An argument advanced by Somalia is that the borders referred to in the 1964 Declaration are those of the united Somali Republic in 1964, but that flies against common sense and the simple words of the Declaration and Article 4(b) the Constitutive Act unequivocally say boundaries on independence i.e. in the case of Somaliland, on 26 June 1960. In any case, it is ironic that the Somali Republic never accepted this Declaration because of its irredentist policies towards all its neighbors, and it is so incongruous that those in Somalia who are now against the recognition of Somaliland pray in aid the Cairo Declaration which is not applicable, at all, to the border between Somaliland and Somalia and was not even accepted by Somalia. In contrast, the Somaliland position is that it supports fully the Cairo Declaration and the doctrine of uti posseditis for not only its boundary with Somalia, but also, for its other international boundaries with Ethiopia to the south and the Republic of Djibouti to the east.

    Boundaries in unions of states

    9. Indeed the international boundary between State of Somaliland and Italian Somalia remained as an internal administrative border [2] during the democratic period of the Somali Republic, when the territory of Somaliland became known as the “Northern Region” which was sub-divided into Hargeisa and Burao regions, the latter covering the eastern parts of Somaliland right up to the international boundary, beyond which was Majertenia, the first of six regions comprising the “Southern Region” or Somalia. This boundary at the 48th Meridian continued to remain as the administrative line that separated the Sanaag Region of Somaliland and the former Majertain region of Somalia, which was renamed “Bari” (I.e. Eastern) region until the end of the Siyad Barre regime and the re-assertion of Somaliland sovereignty in 1991. The importance of the continued use of the international Somaliland/Somalia border as an internal administrative border during most of the period of the existence of the union, is that the practice of the Eastern European states (in the former Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia and the Soviet Union) on their dissolution and emergence of new states has been to extended the doctrine of uti possedtis[3] to the former internal administrative lines of the dissolved unions or states as international borders of the new states[4].

    10. The Republic of Somaliland is committed to peaceful co-existence with its African neighbours, and having laid to rest the irredentist Greater Somalia tendencies, believes that genuine co-operation and closer relations between the states in the Horn and also within the wider region and throughout Africa is actually better served by the recognition of the Republic. Somalilanders are painfully aware that the Greater Somalia dream died when the Northern Districts remained with Kenya on its independence and French Somaliland remained an independent country on its independence from France in 1978. Somalis as an ethnic group now live in five different countries and that is no different from other ethnic groups, like Arabs who, for example live in a number of North African countries. The fact that in some of the countries, ethnic Somalis are a minority, whilst in others they are a majority is no different from the situation in many other African countries, where some ethnic groups are scattered over a number of neighbouring countries. Recognizing Somaliland formally will, at one stroke, lay to rest, for ever, Somali irredentism which has brought so much chaos and bloodshed to the Horn, and will send a message to those in Somalia who are still hankering after Greater Somalia that their efforts will be better spent in building peace and stability in their own country.

    Somali Clans and boundaries

    11. Just in the same way that people of Somali ethnic origin straddle the boundaries of the countries of the Horn, it remains the case that Somali clans in each country are also likely to straddle the borders of two or more countries. Somalilanders in the far west of the country have kinsfolk in the neighboring Republic of Djibouti and almost all Somaliland clans live and move across the Somaliland/Ethiopia border. In the same way, in the east of Somaliland, some of the clans have kinship links with others across the border in Mijertenia (Puntland). These links do not, in any way diminish the sovereignty of either Somaliland or its neighboring countries over their respective territories and indeed Somaliland’s commitment to peace and co-operation with its neighbours will ensure that these kinship links and traditional nomadic(s) are dealt with in a modern and conflict free manner. Recognition of Somaliland is more likely to engender such cross border co-operation than an inevitable fall back to “Greater Somalia” nightmare. The invasion and occupation of parts of eastern Somaliland by the current non-elected Somalia President Colonel Yusuf, when he was President of “Puntland” is an illustration of what is in store for other neighboring countries if Somaliland is restrained from exercising her right to defend its borders. Allowing such naked aggression to succeed or to diminish the right of Somaliland to recognition and its territorial integrity will send a wrong message to all the ethnic/clan groups that straddle the many “colonial” borders of Africa.

    Criteria for statehood & non-recognition

    12. Above all, Somaliland has shown clearly that it fulfils all the international requirements for statehood [5]. The Republic has a permanent population of approximately 3.5 million; a clearly defined territory over which it has and had control for the last 15 years (bar for an small area which has been illegally occupied by militia from Punland for the last 3 years); and despite the lack of formal recognition, Somaliland has and continues to enter formal and informal relations with other states and international organizations. Also, despite all the constraints brought about by lack of recognition and the imposition of unjustified ban on livestock exports, Somaliland is building its democracy and respects human rights and the rule of law.

    13. Some International jurists have argued that if a state fulfils all the criteria for statehood that this raises an obligation for other countries to recognize Somaliland. Clearly in reality, recognition depends on the practice and, often, the interests of specific states. Withholding the recognition that Somaliland justly deserves is not a neutral act because it has serious implications for the people of Somaliland. Besides the denial of the right to self determination, non-recognition for 15 years also meant that continue to be denied direct access to financial institutions, direct aid between countries, freedom to travel and to expand the entrepreneurial skills, and among other things access to markets, education etc. It is also means that there are extremely limited resources for re-building a country that has gone through a war and consequently more unnecessary deaths of young and sick people that might well be saved with more investment in basic services. Somaliland has weathered the benign neglect of the majority of the international community, but it is has and continues to face continually the deliberate undermining of its sovereignty by a few countries, which are pursuing their own interests.

    Questions posed by the International Crisis Group

    14. In their recent report titled “Somaliland: Time for an African Union Leadership” (Africa Report N°110 – 23 May 2006), the International Crisis Group posited “four central and practical questions” which we address briefly:

    — Should Somaliland be rewarded for creating stability and democratic governance out of a part of the chaos that is the failed state of Somalia?

    Surely, the answer is yes. This would be very much in line with the principles of NEPAD and would be also be an incentive to those countries that fall into disorder and anarchy that Africa rewards democracy and good governance and abhors the opposite situations given the Continents state of anarchy this past Century.

    — Would rewarding Somaliland with either independence or significant autonomy adversely impact the prospects for peace in Somalia or lead to territorial clashes?

    No. The prospects of peace in Somalia lie with the efforts and actions of the Somaliand people. Whether or not Somaliland is recognized is not going to bring peace to Somalia – peace can only come to that country when its people decide that enough is enough and work together for conciliation and consensus. Peace cannot be imposed from outside and the cause of Somaliland has no bearing whatsoever on the attainment of peace in Somalia. If anything, it is a distraction to them and sometimes the only thing Somalians appear to agree upon is their position on Somaliland – perhaps if that distraction is removed, they may become more serious about peace-making.

    Let me say to Matt please stop confusing Somaliland to Somalia, we will and never will not be part of Somalia and if the UK government lead to make somaliland be part an agenda about Somalia we are ready to shed the blood and fight against it.

  31. Abdillahi Muse says:

    Dear Matt,

    Somalia had been wars since last twenty years, despite the worst wars happened in Central and South Somalia. Although I agree the agenda of the meeting to help Somali people I would like to see the meeting to be divided into two stages. The first stage would reconciliation between people in South Somalia for instance Hawiye tribe; the second stage would be to build a Somali government composed of people of South Somalia and Puntland. The third stage would be reconciliation and negotiation between South and North. If North decides to secede, the should have to follow Sudan Model.

  32. Mohamed F Yabarag says:

    The UK endeavor to bring all warring factions of Somalia to London in February must be welcomed by all Somalis regardless of their regional background and political preferences. Somalia has been left in the political wilderness for far too long. We cannot afford another protracted civil strife after twenty long wasteful years. All Somalis, including regional administrations, should take advantage of this opportunity offered to them by a country that has a great leaverage in the international community. This conference will be different to all we have seen before in Nairobi, Djibouti and Ethiopia. Those reconcilliations were never meant to bring peace to Somalis. This one is. Somalia is indivisible and the the claim by some in here that Somaliland should be treated separately is simply prolonging the suffering and humiliation of Somalis, including those of Sonmaliland that I myslef belong to. We can achieve peace and prosperity if we put our differences aside and come together as one unit.

    The time has come for all Somalis to behave like civilized human beings and take advantage this last chance on offer. We should congratulate the UK government and prime minister David Cameron for this effort.

    • Aden says:

      Mr. Yaab Arag,
      Seek treatment for your hurt which is filled with hatred for the majority of the people of Somaliland. How can you be taken serious when you write the most hate-filled articles in Wardheer.

      Aden

      • asurah says:

        Dear Matt
        may I thank you for the effort, eventhough I am not optimist because we have seen you lobbying for so called breake-away aka somaliland.
        As people of SSC regions, we do not trust you and we are planning to
        make our voice heard loud at the conference.
        As you might know we have recently created our own Khaatumo State of Somalia. Let us see how you react to it.final test regarding how you deal with us too, but one thing. SSC people do not seed
        to be recognised by international community and we are part of Somali Democratic Republic. Would you let your friends of Hargeysa realise that and everything will be working again for Somalia.
        Warlord siilaanyo is the one who has been responsible the chaos in Somalia for the last 20 years. He and his SNM are the real cause of the horrific war going on in south somalia as well as in the North. Most leaders of alshabab are
        from isaq clan. they trying to distroy Somalia in order to get recognised.

  33. Hassan Derie Mohamed says:

    Somaliland is not member of somalia

  34. Saleebaan Xaaji says:

    It is ironic that the UK which is debating its own issues with Scotland’s push for independence wants to try and revive the defunct “Somali Republic” (The unratified union between Somaliland and Somalia in 1960). Mr, Baugh, I am sure that Her Majesty’s government’s intentions are sincere, but, Somaliland has enjoyed twenty years of peace and progress. It is has several free and fair elections, culminating in a peaceful transfer of power, a rare thing in Africa.

    Somaliland needs international de-jure recognition. I would hate to think the the British government is being duped by a lobby interested in regaining power, even though they are unable to resolve the issues facing the poor people of Somalia.

    Like Somaliland, the citizens of Somalia need to come together in Mogadishu or any other city and decided their own fate. No amount of international conferences or summits will help Somalia. This is just another junket for unelected, unrepresentative folks, more interested in filling their pockets, rather serving their won citizens.

    • asurah says:

      saleebaan

      is lying about free election. Everything he said is false.
      The SSC regions never participated any elections and rejected to let boxes come to their regions.

  35. khadar says:

    Dear Matt Baugh, it not a matter of joke how Somaliland nation rebuilt their country and made peaceful nation with free democratic elections, it is not fair to compare Somaliland with Somalia.

    I can accept Somaliland to give lessons their neighboring country of Somalia and how they can create reconciliations among their differences. Even Somaliland is ready to teach other African and non-democratic countries how free and fair elections and referendums is possible without outside interventions. So please the conference must talk about the reality on the ground and Somaliland cannot take any steps back wards.

    Somaliland is out of terrorist and pirates and the only thing we r in need is recognition. Any one who is jealous can’t disturb my home we r a community that ready for the defense of our unity and nationhood.

    In the conclusion our leaders acts our nation for their constitution and decision is for the three and half million of Somaliland population not for a small number.

    Thanks
    Hargeisa Somaliland
    Long life Somaliland.

  36. shafie says:

    i am somalilander i do no bleaf somlia but somaliland goverment we need regonice thanks

  37. A Amin says:

    Somalia instability effected all over the world, Britain and other developed countries put massive effort to tackle the pirates terrorists and all other problems caused by Somalia instability. The developed countries including UK deployed many warships in the coast of Somalia, which is not the solution.
    Why they never think to make stability in Somalia, as they have done many other countries?
    The other thing is to support the staple areas in Somalia such as Somaliland Puntland etc, and try to bring stability in Southern Somalia.
    UK must invite all regional governments to participate the conference and think how they are selecting the candidates.

  38. Mr. Ali A. Fatah says:

    Bismillah…

    Dear Organizers:

    The Brits were present at the birth of the 1st Somali Republic that united Italian Somaliland and the disparate northern clan territories that UK coppled together as British Somaliland Protectorate. Prior to that date June/July 1960 and aterwards, the Brits also oversaw the divving up of Somali lands by sedeing Somali inhabited territories to Ethiopia and Kenya as well as exchanging the Somali territory of Jibouti for Gambia, which was then a French held territory. These historic facts not withstanding, the UK can still do the right thing by the long suffering Somali people, by doing key two things:
    1) Facing the reality that there is NO there, there in “Somaliland”; the pipedream of folks who refuse to be bothered with historical facts, in their chauvanistic pursuit of an eldorado that will never come to pass.
    2) Acting in accordance with the interests of the United Kindom. As Churchill once said, “Nations do have permanent friends, they have permanent interests”. Somalia or Somali Republic is a blessed land that is rich in resources beyond the comprehension of its now poor citizens. Great Britain has knowledge-based, developed economy that can participate in the socio-economic development of a peaceful, unified and grateful Somali nation.
    So, I welcome the conference and hope that the diplomatically savvy Brits will be able to succeed in helping bring Somalis closer to their goal of remaking their nation along the lines of democracy and freedom that is fully consistent with Islamic tenents.
    Regards,
    -Ali
    Ali A. Fatah
    amakhiri@aol.com

  39. Mr. Ali A. Fatah says:

    Please note, I meant “Nations do not”

  40. mustafe yusuf jambir says:

    live long and prosper somaliland.
    Our fathers,brothers and mothers were killed for our beloved country, just the same we are all dying for our somaliland country…we will never give up…..

    Somaliland is gone from somalia 20 years ago, either recognised or will not change the unanimous decision of somalilanders.Remember the decision to breakaway from the union lies to somalilanders alone, because the power lies to somalilanders and not the leaders or ex somalian leaders who still dreaming of a great somalia.
    But in a forum like this, all I can say is that everyone takes notice of the fact that Somaliland or its people never talk about Somalia, because it is a horrible past that we can never return to.

    • asurah says:

      yusuf mustafa

      If you think looking back to somalia is horrible, you will see once more
      a horrible and darker history, by that time last few of SNM cruels will face the justice in Hague, insha Allah.

  41. Abdiwahab Adan says:

    Iam Somalilaner and Somalilad is not a part of Somalia it’s Free From somalia and .
    Somaliland needs international de-jure recognition, they are not need Nogatioan of other parts of Somalia -somaliland is Free and Democ, so its not Possible to Meet somaliland and other parts of somalia – if we are somaliand peaple we hope full somlaia is a pbace but we are not part of somalia we are two Goverment and we are Neighb.

    I say Uk or somalilan is Protectorate of Biriths.

  42. mrgabileygalbeedi says:

    SOMALILAND IS DIFFERENT COUNYTRY THAT ENGLAND KHOWS BETTER. I HOPE ENGLAND WILL REALISE THAT SOMALILAND RECOGNITION IS OVER DUE. NOW YOU SEE SHABAAB ONLF DHULPAHANTE TERORIES ARE TRYING TO UNDERMINE SOMALILAND PROGRESS. THEY MUST STOP SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

  43. SOMALILANDER says:

    this conference is only for Somalia People but not Somaliland, Somaliland is indepedent goverment and will not attend this conference

  44. Omer Hussein Dualeh says:

    Our country is in danger, and needs your support. These days our nation is facing a concerted crusade by the UN with their front man Mr. Mehiga and the pathetic Sharif government to destabilize Somaliland. They have been plotting this scheme for quite some time with some disgruntled SSE and Awdalite Diaspora to proclaim Bantustan states inside Somaliland with the intention of dismantling Somaliland from within. It is appalling to see that the western countries donation is being misused for such a wicked act.

    Instead of making peace in war torn and hunger ravaged Somalia, they diverted their attention to spread war and instability in the peace haven Somaliland by supporting the Teleex Conference. I call upon all die-hard Somalialnders, especially those residing in the West to come out in full force and demonstrate against this subversion by the UN and certain Western countries to disintegrate Somaliland,. Its the right time that all of you come out in force and show the world that Somaliland is in danger. Britain is one of those countries who are behind this new initiative, paving the way for the so-called Somali Conference taking place in London in February. This conspiracy has been brewing while we have been too busy developing our country. The international community should know that the UN is behind this episode in Somaliland, and we the people of Somaliland must stand together and fight back. They want to destroy what we have built for the past 21 years, instead of helping us to achieve more. This is what is happening my fellow countrymen. I encourage you all to come out and express your feelings towards your country.

    It’s ironic that Mr. David Cameron is now allowing a referendum to take place for the separation of Scotland who has been part and parcel of United Kingdom for centuries, and yet deny the people of Somaliland, the right of self determination which they overwhelmingly endorsed by referendum in 2001, and the outcome was 97%. Our referendum was witnessed by the International Community who declared it’s free and fairness. Our people were in believe that the UK will stand with them, but the double standards of West is showing, every days with unprecedented scale, and equally immoral.

    I hope our people will hear me and support their country every way possible, and heed this call immediately.

  45. Deria Gabdoon says:

    Thanks Matt for sharing with us this information which is a very important meeting fo the people of Somalia , the failed state of Somali Republic consisting of British Somaliland and Italian Somalia. let us see the agenda of the meeting and the problems to tackle. Let us also remember the number of meeting and reconcillaition for the past twenty years. Who attended these meetings? What were the outcome?. Only Somalia attended and not Somaliland; the outcome we all know. And it’s clear from your meetings with many Somalis, that the people of Somalia want change. So the London Conference is about making the most of the opportunities in front of us: I born In Mogadishu, and attended several reconcilliation meetings, but in reality I didnot work rather it get worse all the time.

    – The opportunity to support a more inclusive and representative political process when the Transitional Period ends in August 2012;
    Please do not mix apple with orange. First this issue belongs to TFG and Somalia not Somaliland.

    – The opportunity to help people return to Mogadishu and rebuild their lives in that city; this belongs to people of Somalia and not Somaliland

    – The opportunity to take further action against Al Shabaab and piracy; this belongs to Somalia and not Somaliland

    – The opportunity to reinforce the relative stability in areas of Somalia, such as Somaliland and Puntland and in the south. this name Somalia only covers Italian Somalia, Somali Republic Covers both Somaliland and Somalia. In this respect, we want Somalia problems to be attanded, and please do not bring Somaliland for they have established their governance and state system.
    For politician of Somalia, let us please solve our problems, and let us avoid to talk about Somaliland, at least they have estabished a system of governance, there are parties, elections, constitutions, elected parliment and presidents. courts and police are working, and they fought Alshabab, and Piracy. Where are we? see Mogadishu? see Baidoa, See Kismayo. When we are immersed with Alshabab, Piracy, TFG transitional period, and had more meetings, and reconcilliations and interal confict of our so called parliment who are fighting and divided. I am afraid the British my have good intention, but it could be a futile exercise if we did not put our house in order. Forget Somaliland, they have done their homework. let us do our best the people of Somalia.It is a time we have to acknowledge and recognize them, and ask our brothers in Somaliland to rescue us and help us in reconcillation process; and let Somaliland to be recoganized and reinforce the stability in the Horn of Africa. I see no problem for Somaliland to be recoganized and I will visit as a tourist from Mogadishu to Hargeisa. We must accept the reality and know how to respect one another, The first blue flag was pitched in Hargeisa capital, Somaliland, they came to us as brothers as ethnic Somali , what happen then is no longer a history we all know it , but only few dare to admit. We need a new approach and courageous leaders. and let us move to the right direction with respect. good luck.

    Colleagues in London and in British Missions around the world, I wish you a good luck , we hope this meeting will not be a futile excercise and I thank you in advance

  46. Most Somalis welcomes the British effort to solve the Somali problem since Britain is part of the root cost Somali conflict. For example the fighting between Somaliland and Khatumo State of Somalia (SSC regions).
    I hope the British people are honest about their effort.
    Ahmed M. Dolal
    Buhodle, Khatumo State, North-Somalia

  47. ABDULNASIR HAJI IDLE says:

    Nothing will change this conference, somalia needs them self to solve their problem.

  48. jama essa says:

    England must lead the recognition of somaliland

  49. Mr Liibaan says:

    I strongly support Britain’s efforts to help Somalia rebuild itself after 20 years of war, but at the same time, I don’t see the international community has taken the right step towards finding peace and political stability for Somalia as long as Somaliland is not seen as a completely different entity or country. It is like putting the cart before the horse. When we say “Somalia” if we practically mean that Somaliland is a part of Somalia, then, we are not ready to face the reality and that is “why”, every effort made by the international community had failed so far. Whether we like it or not, the truth is every specimen breeds itself again. Since 1991 we have been trying Somalia to be Somalia while Somalia is not Somalia and it will never be again at least the one existed from 1960 to 1991. First step towards the right direction is to see Somalia and Somaliland as two different neighbouring states. Solutions starting from any other political point of view will just be beating in the bush and will have the same fate as before.

  50. Mohamed says:

    If we are Somaliland people, we are not part of that Somalia conference because somaliland is an independent country.

    • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

      Independent? according to whom ? The people of Hargeisa, Burco and Berbera triangle. The real Somalilanders secessionist come from only 2 provicences of somalia. [ Woqooyi Galbeed and Torgdheere] and represent 20% of Somali population. Somalia should not be held to ramson by this crew.

  51. Bashir Elabe says:

    It made me sick to be told that another blah blah conference is yet to begun soon. When shall we stop this and give the reality a chance? How long will Somaliland remain a hostage for the failed state of Somalia? What are the legal, moral and logical reasons for withholding Somaliland’s sovereignty and integrity? let me guess the so-called failed principle of “Unity”. Well, Somalis apparently misunderstand the concept of “Unity” itself which is no longer valid. Let me say it loudly, the so-called “unity” does not matter anymore even if it supposes to bring peace and prosperity. Shall the ethic similarity of Somali-peoples obligate Somaliland, Djibouti, Eastern Ethiopia and Northern Frontier Districts of Kenya (NFD) to unite under one so-called Somali regime?. The answer is ‘NO’ hence, what’s important is that all should live in peace and prosperity. We need to be very realistic here. More than 3.5 million people with an area of 135,000 km are demanding to be recognized and they have the right to do so. They have obviously managed peace, security and established the necessary institutions of a modern state and the international community have no choice but to accept their efforts. The people of Somaliland are committed to continue their independence with or without Somalia, and nobody will be able to stop Somalilanders from deciding their destiny. And by the way, we, the people of Somaliland do not have a single problem abt attending to such Somali Conferences though it is a waste of time. However, the people of Somaliland should be organized and well-equipped for their part of the entertainment.

    • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

      Somalia has 18 provinces, the Somali unity entails the unification of these regions, Ogaden and NFD belongs to Ethiopia and Kenya respectively and any border disputes will be solved by the UN. Northern Somalia and Southern Somalia already belong to one country called Somalia and that is what majority Somalis want to preserve.

  52. abdinasir ahmed iimaan says:

    this is not really to say Somalia and somaliland are only one nation. and it is enough laughing to say that but with respect i mention the government of uk
    somaliland was protectorate of uk in 1960 and this country was nation which have all instructions of other country . unfortunately somaliand goes south somalia by searching big somali nation and that was not possible .after civil ware in 1990 somaliland return thier own flag and become nation which have more dreams and smaliland steal got recognition from the wide world , and this is cause more obstetrical ,but its is not stop the development of this country ,somalland makes more devolopment that i can’t mention only one bage. by the way, this conference is only for south Somalia People but not Somaliland, Somaliland is indepedent nation which have strong militry forces and will not attend this conference

  53. mohamed ali mooge says:

    i am suggesting to the British government this meeting is for somalia not for somaliland because somaliland is peaceful and indepedent country that means we just regained our lierty before 1960’s at this time this country was called British somaliland so i guess it is crucial to support the southern somalia’s peace and make them to national reconciliation and to support somaliland to make further development .
    I am requesting to listen the voice of somalilanders

  54. dr:cajb says:

    soamliland is not a part o f somalind u know tht

  55. Abdikarim Ibrahim Somalilander says:

    hey Matt Baugh what are you talking about, I sure as my death that you know the reality so why are beating about the bush.

    The Republic of Somaliland known as the Somaliland Protectorate under the British rule from 1884 until June, 26th 1960 when Somaliland got its independence from Britain. On July 1st 1960 it joined the former Italian Somalia to form the Somali Republic. The union did not work according to the aspirations of the people, and the strain led to a civil war from 1980s onwards and eventually to the collapse of the Somali Republic. After the collapse of the Somali Republic, the people of Somaliland held a congress in which it was decided to withdraw from the Union with Somalia and to reinstate Somaliland’s sovereignty.

    so we are not part of any issue about Somali affairs and we will be independent state until the judgement day.

    Also I am in here suggesting our enemy what ever they are”We(Somaliland) will never show you our shoulders but our chest by iron,and it is must to defend in our be loved country by politically and even ironically.

    Finally We know that our country Somaliland has respect from the international community but not recognition,so We are requesting to UN,AU,EU and our brothers of Arab League to dare the reality which is to recognize Somaliland and respect the rights of four million nation.

  56. thanks mr matt the effort and support your time and idea , AS youn know somalia faced great problem came new al qaida in horn of africa called AL SHABAB it is Difficult to Destroyed the exterimisted group

    it is important all the world somalia supported how to destroyed in somalia the idea is not making sense unitil somalia alshabab is figting . somalia have many state so state support how to building and to get anew forced armed fighting al shabab , the support gives TFG is not making great sense so my idea , somaliland have get recognization because somaliland have building institutions and good structur government it so important to lost time and idea in somaliland support how to get in recognition if get somaliland get recognition somalia get great exchange thanks all peaples practicpation this conference by ADOCATE ADAM

  57. Ahmed M.Jama says:

    Good planning and being close to the reality may lead to success. You are planning to solve the problem of Somalia. Since you are having the old fashion way of thinking, which is, Somalia is one country, believe me, just you are wasting time and effort, that means, you planned to fail.
    We know many international organizations and even governments makes business from the problem of Somalia. Take my advice and try to do the right approach , if you really want to solve the problem of Somalia ounce and forever:
    -Let the international community realize the reality on the ground, which is there is no country called Somalia, you can use the word the Ex-Somalia. Unless you treat Somalia as: Somaliland and proper Somalia, whatever you do, the outcome of the gathering in Uk in the near future already born premature.
    -The international community never gave real opportunity the people of southern Somalia to solve their problems. Every time the so-called international community shapes and tailors the political future of south Somalia.-
    – conclusion: (1) support Somaliland as sovereign state and we can assist the southern to overcome their problems.
    (2) One time, let the people of the southern Somalia decide what they want, and stop interfering their internal affairs, specially the neighboring countries must do that.
    –Otherwise the problem continue and lack of stability and terrorism will flourish in Somalia and no one will be safe from it. (Look before you leap).

  58. Osman says:

    I don’t why UK is ignoring about Somaliland we have achieved every that is needed from a country?, is it because we are 100 Muslims and our flag written the Tawhiid please be Frank to us

    • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

      What an ignorant statement to make, Somalia is already independent and has a light blue flag with a star in the middle, any regional ‘flag” should remain,regional. !!

  59. Hargaysaawi says:

    Hi all,

    First of all I would like to welcome such a great step towards the right direction of bringing peace and stability to Somalia AND I hope more than anything else that it will be successful. Secondly, those people who are from Somalia, are always too busy of talking about the Self-declared region Somaliland- Yes and yes they are self declared, simply because there is no country on earth that was named by another country, and every country’s comunity agreed to give themselves a name for instance U.S or may be Somalia itself. so why not Somaliland? I believed once -the great Somalia but now its a dead-end lock, to force Somaliland to come under Somalia is a day-dream hope, as the Somalis themselves say their traditional proverbs “Awr kala guurtay uurar kala guurey baa ka xun”. Do those who are from Somalia think that a child who lost his father/Mother/Uncle/brother or sister and was raised that he is from Somaliland and the Somalia dictators killed his parents will just easily welcome the idea of being part of Somalia?, or even if you force them they will do the same as their brave fathers did to protect their humanity? before you jump into the conclusion of saying that Somaliland is still part of Somalia consider the consequences and read the history of those kids that your political leaders who ever they were -slaughtered and massacred their parents with no valid reason, the air-forces that took off from Hargeisa airport and yet still firing the same city, those young School boys who were blamed they were behind revolution– where on earth would you find such an examples and still look after the people that you made them to flee from you though they put all their trusts on you as soon as they got back their independence from Britain. Shame on you those who are still dreaming and claim they are intellectuals, politicians, sheikhs etc. As i said earlier i love to see a fruitful peace and stability in Somalia then we can be a good neighbors. Most of the Somalia-people dont like Somaliland, because they envy them and they want to drag Somaliland into the world of war-lords and that wont happen either a peaceful way or even under pressure. Remember freedom is the mother of peace and stability and even your own religion tells you that, unfortunately you are not good enough to understand it all because of your heart is full of hatred and hate towards my peaceful country and I’m proud to call it Somaliland the self declared country in east Africa.

  60. abdi says:

    WE SOMALILAND WE WILL NOT SIT WITH SOMALI PEOPLE THE BRTISH GOVERMENT SHOULD KNOW WE ARE INDEPENDENT COUNTERY CALLED S/LAND.FINALLY BRTISH GOVERMENT IS TO RECOGNIZE SOMALI LAND NATION.

    • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

      I thought ‘Somalinders’ are Somalis too, why can’t they sit with other Somalis? Is this some joke?

  61. saleban ibrahim haybe says:

    Bonjour mesdames et messieurs les organisateurs anglais
    je suis pharmacien en belgique et je suis d’origine somalilandaise. j’aime mon PAYS et je suis plus que jamais determiné à supporter par tous les moyens l’accession à la souverainété de mon PAYS, encore je vous le signale n’est PAS reconnu entierement.
    je suis ABSOLU dans le fait que LA SOLUTION aux problemes somaliens EST DEPENDANT DE LA RECONNAISSANCE DE LA REPUBLIQUE SOMALILANDAISE. Et je parle en tant que connaisseur des politiques et problemes typiquement somaliens et je suis INTIMEMENT convaincu que LA SOLUTION aux problemes de la DEFAILLANCE ETATIQUE DE LA SOMALIE EST DIRECTEMENT DEPENDANT DE L’ACCESSION 0 LA SOUVERAINETE POLITIQUE ET DIPLOMATIQUE ENTIERE DE LA REPUBLIQUE SOMALILANDAISE.
    c’est pour cette raison qu’on devrait et QU’IL EST PLUS QUE TEMPS DE PRENDRE LE PROBLEME DE FACE ET DE VOIR LA REALITE POLITICO SOCIO ECONOMIQUE DE LA REGION, à savoir que le CLE de la reussite de l’intauration d’une PAIX DURABLE dans ce coin de la planete est DIRECTEMENT TRIBUTAIRE DE LA RECONNAISSANCE DE LA REPUBLIQUE DE LA SOMALILAND C’EST UN FAIT ET UNE REALITE QU’ON NE PEUT OUTREPASSER CHERS MESSIEURS CAR CELA EST LA SOLUTION AUX PROBLEMES.
    MAINTENANT J’ESPERE QUE VOUS METTREZ LE POIDS ET OSEREZ SOULEVEZ LA PROBLEMATIQUE HAUT ET FORT EN AYANT EN VUE QUE LA SEULE ET UNIQUE SOLUTION AUX PROBLEMES SOMALIENS TIENS A LADITE SOUVERAINETÉ DE LA REPUBLIQUE DE LA SOMALILAND.

    je sais que le gouvernement britanique souhaite apporter une ou devrais-je dire plusieurs solutions concourrantes aux problemes ACTUELLES somaliens qui à mon humble avis est les pires années sombres qui soient pour les somaliens. je suis sur aussi que le gouvernement britannique veut coute que coute apporter par le biais de ces conferences ne serait ce la fin des conflits civils et externes. MAIS NE FAUT-IL PAS REGARDER ALORS LES PROPOSITIONS DES PERSONNES DIRECTEMENT CONCERNEES ET EN TENIR COMPTE VUE QUE L’IGNORANCE DE LA VOIE DU PEUPLE SOMALILANDAIS N’A JUSQUÀ AUJOURDHUI RIEN APPORTER DE CONCRETS, VOIRE LES CHOSES SE SONT MEMES AGGRAVÉES VUE LA DIMENSIONS CATASTROPHIQUES HUMANITAIRES QUI SE POSENT.
    JE CONCLUERAIT EN DISANT QUE LE DEVOIR DU GOUVERNEMENT BRITANNIQUE AUJOURD’HUI N’EST RIEN D’AUTRE QUE DE REGARDER CES RESPONSABILITÉS EN FACE ET DE PRENDRE LES BONNES JE DIS BIEN LES BONNES DECISIONS CONCERNANT LES SOMALILANDAIS D’ABORD ET LES SOMALIENS EN GENERALES CAR JE CROIS QU’IL EST PLUS QUE TEMPS QUE LES CHOSES BOUGENT ET QUE NOUS VOYONS DE L’ACTION TANT DIPLOMATIQUE QUE POLITIQUE ET ECONOMIQUE VIS À VIS DU PEUPLE SOMALILANDAIS ET DE LEUR CHERE REPUBLIQUE.
    MERCI À VOUS

    • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

      Saleban, how does the solution to Somalia DEPENDS ON THE RECOGNITION OF THE REPUBLIC Somaliland? The provinces of Woogoyi Galbeed and Torgdheere are already peaceful, the conference is about ending piracy, defeating alshaabab, bring a federal governance after the last central government was brought by somali clans.

      I believe, the conference will also address famine, economic development, security in the horn of Africa, education, creating a Representative federal army, creating representative governance for the whole of Somalia. I’m still baffled how the recognition of Isaaq lands of Torgdheera and Wogoyi Galbeed as a ‘republic’ will end somali problems.

  62. Abdirahman H. says:

    Dear Sir/Madam,

    I ideally agree holding this conference by the U.K. Government. I am very much excited how U.K considers the survival of Somalia’s position in the world.

    As regards my thought to this conference; I would suggest U.K. Government consider these things:

    1. external hands should be got rid off if an everlasting solution is desired.
    2. all previous Somali politicians who are of the age of 50 and above should be removed from the field. New faces of youth (including me) can initiate new light and prosperous future without violence for Somalia
    3. new strategies should be arranged for the upcoming negotiation sessions of Somalia such as holding the conferences in some where of the peaceful places like Erigavo in Somaliland
    4. Somalilanders should handle the Somali conferences

    Thanks very much.

  63. faarax muuse says:

    thanks mr matt and goverment of UK, iam somalilander, isac clan, i am greatly supporting the london coverance include aal somalis, we have been unrecognised state for the last 20 years we were in wrong direction, most of the tribes in somaliland – dhulbahante, warsangali and gadabuurisi they want to form their own state of somali, for my tribe most of them we beleive somali, we are greatly supportin london converance to find out solution for somalis , for the last twenty years we were under poverty ,war, hate among the somalis–once again thank british goverment for their effor and support for somalis
    thanks

    • Bashir Elabe says:

      Kid, blv me, you just come to the wrong place. This place is for the intellectuals who can express their views without emotional feelings. No offense, but u need to restore ur confidence and use ur identity. You call ur self a Somalilander and then Isaq and then blah blah blah. What was ur point of making this comment, let me guess a well-articulated comment against Somaliland unfortunately that could not be achieved due to lack of confidence, poor writing and most importantly not mature enough mentally. Kid, the commentators are very ashamed of your poor writing and the lost of confidence you have just experienced. You should get out before u r busted. What a poor kid!

      • Haweia Siad Barre says:

        This kind of bullying it is the norm in “Somaliland”.
        Knowing how to write in English it is not going to make you smarter or wiser. Please, respect your fellow somali to express his or her opinion freely.
        Let’s not lose focus, shall we? Piracy and Terrorism in Somalia. The center-piece of both issues is Youth, period. Our effort has to concentrate on mitigating the misery of their livelihood by giving them hope and practical help. Building fishing communities along the coastland towns, and building small factories in the inland plus education. I cringe at our sorry state of affairs in Somalia, but being passive is not the solution of our problems. Hope, this is going to be the last international-held conference for Somalia and the following conferences will be held by Somalis to Somalis for Somalis in Somalia. Our appreciation goes to the UK government for brotherly effort. Thank you.

        • Prince Hassan says:

          thank you very much Haweia,
          This is one of the best commonts I have read in this blogg.
          once again thank you.

    • Hassan says:

      You are misleading Mr Matt, and you are not Somalilander.

  64. M Nur says:

    Hello Matt.
    Somaliland should be recognizes by United Kingdom. I think this is the last trial by the international community for somali people, so please and please respect the WILL of somaliland nation becouse we have no appitate for unification with italian somalis.

    • Matt Baugh says:

      Many thanks for all of the comments above. We have approved all comments up to now as we want this forum to be open. The voices expressing views on Somaliland have been heard. No doubt this debate will continue. But I would also like to ask for views on other aspects of the conference that I have talked about in my blog as well, so that all views are heard. Please share your thoughts on all of these issues in as open manner as possible, on any of these topics. Thank you.

      • Maryam says:

        Dear Matt Baugh, there is a Somali saying that says “nin Durbaan tuntay ilaaq dalbay” and that translates in English “he who beats the Drums, invites trouble”. You have committed a gross error by posting a confusing and quite offensive statement here, so, I suggest you rectify your error before you plea with your readers here on commenting or even considering whatever other issue you have talked about in your article. Salma

  65. YusuF D Ali says:

    Somaliland was not a part of Somalia and will not become a part of Somalia. This for those, who confused with terminology. The Somaliland-Somalia union was called Somali Republic and not Somalia to start with. This is for historical and legal clarification.

    Somaliland was annexed in 1960 by Somalia and that union was never ractified by the democratically elected Somaliland assembly. After thirty years of oppression, ethnic cleansing and genocide, the citizens of Somaliland agreed irrespective of their tribe affiliations have agreed to reclaim their independence from Somalia.

    Somaliland has achieved a lot since it left that union with Somalia and is not ready to waste all that by joining the chaotic Somalia. I think no sane person will propse for Somaliland become part and parcel of Somalia. What will Somaliland benefit by uniting with Somalia? I can not think of a single reason why Somaliland should go back to that failed union. We have tried this before and have thirty long years of experience in union with Somalia, we have benefited nothing from that union and not ready to repeat that experience after thirty years of nothing but suffering.

    As matter of fact I think Britain is wasting its time by holding this conference for Somalia, because no one in Somalia is interested in peace, they all want to eat one another alive, if possible.

    In conclusion, the recognition of Somaliland should be the bases of this meeting. Somaliland will then be an effective international partener for Somalia peace and stability. The Somalia-Somaliland union will never happen. Please ask the pro unity elements if they are really for somali unity, why don’t the claim Djibouti, The 5th Ethiopian region and Kenyan NFD region as part and parcel of Greater Somalia. We are fed up of the Somalia political hypocrasy and hope the world will understand their motives.

  66. Ahmed Shino says:

    Dear Matt.
    Thanks for the updates.

    I think you dont have to forget the fallowing agendas to be on the confrence agenda.

    1. Every Somali Region of the 18 regions should be allowed to lead themselves and get international aid (if any) not through the current administrations.
    2. The 4.5 system of Paliement will never give us somali political instability
    3. Make sure the participants of the meeting should be the right people who will be able to diliver the outcome of the confrence.

  67. janos says:

    i am from somaliland and i would to give my opinion towards for this somali conference… as we know somaliland was not part of somalia ..and in 1960 somaliland was recognize from 38 countries in the world.. and somaliland went to unite with other somalia part and they become rebublic.. so in 1991 somaliland after long fight with the somalian regime siyad bare they get thier recognation from somalia..
    so we can say in one voice somaliland must be indepedent country from other somalia..
    and somaliland must be remain as it is now…. othey way if britain force somaliland goverment to be part of somalia …then in horn of africa there will not be any small peace and the fight go every corner in africa..
    viva somaliland and my alllah bless somaliland

  68. A.Barkhadle.I.(WHITE-HYENA). says:

    HELLOW… MR MATT BAUGH… Good day i am thanking the britsih goverment intiating the debate of consulting the somali people’s and unite.. well your opinions are fruitful……and well come…since we get sick for long time dream so called somaliland country recognition which is only one tribe so called SNM …the somaliland people encourage all the united of somalia poundary from kismayo to lawyado…

  69. JAMA says:

    It’s been 20 years now since somaliland secceded from Somalia. During this time somaliland has done much progress. It has reached peace in which every one has to shelter under it. But this development is not much compared to other neighbouring countries such as ethiopia. somaliland’s universities remain un recognized and students are not allowed to continue their studies due to the unrecognized certificates. The unemployment is rampant. Therefore, we, somalilanders are welcoming this conference and hope it will lead unity with somalia. Peace itself is not enough, progress is also needed.

  70. ibrahim Hersi Mohamed says:

    I am ibrahim, From Somaliland or North of Somalia which every you like just to cut the argument. Still I do not understand what the British Goverment means peace conference;
    1.Do they mean, they are starting from scratch Top down system and they will ignore or abolish all existing systems like TFG and all other autonomous regions under the TFG, and other systems who do not associate with TFG like Somalialnd.
    2. Will they use TFG as political Platform recognized by International community, as a solo political entity of Somalia, and they are trying to bring other autonomous systems including Somaliland under that TFG?
    3. If it is not that case, will the British carry out seminars for teaching peace building for Somali Society where ever they are?
    4.If it is not that case, will they call all political systems to discuss with how terrorists and piracy should be tackled with their help.
    I am really confused, how they gone set up their agenda.

    Mr Matt according to me the peace in Somalia can come into existence through bottom up structure. We know more than 15 peace conferences were held in different places in the world. All of them were held by outsiders with their good intention or bad intention including international community and UN. All of them they used top down strucure and when the solution was brought to Somalia it failed because :
    1.of lack of ownership by the Somali people;
    2. Some powerful independent states such as Somaliand considered they are not part of the solution as they are planning now;
    3. Some autonomous regions such as Putland like Arta Solution they delibrately failed the solution for they saw it was for Hawiye and Dir.

    I would suggest to British Government to split the issue into two. To ask question who does believe, he or she is part of Somalia and who does not?
    1. The TFG and all autonomous regions who believe they are part of Somalia including Puntland have to be given a chance to discuss and process the peace through National TFG Peace Charter not a new innovative peace approach.
    2. Allow Somalialnd to participate the peace conference as a representative of people of Somalailnd who believe they have elected constitutional institutions such as parliament, local government and central government of Somaliland. This will help as start point of dialogue between Somalia and Somaliland.

    I would again strongly recommend to correct what exists now and use bottom up peace building approach not top down approach which became useless in previuos attempts.

    Thanks to British Government to try to help somali people in a time the whole world is fed up of Somali crises.

    Ibrahim Hersi Mohamed
    Master of conflict management and transformation programme at Nelson Mandela Metropolitan University of Portelisabeth in South Africa.

  71. Farah says:

    Dear Matt,
    We welcome the UK’s new initiative to solve Somali Crises at this very crucial time. I read about your intentions and agendas in order to ensure smooth completion of the conference. But I found something missing in your agenda: The continuous Toxic dumping on somali Coast mainly by European Companies.
    Please make this topic main agenda.

  72. dear Matt.

    As a somalilander We support any efforts of british Goverment towards finding a final solution of south somalia , but please do not mix somalinad with the southt somalia problems, we somalialnders are very much appreciate for your support of somalilanf democracy and we expect you to Continue , our people has mada their minds , so support us .

    thanks.

    m m jaba

  73. Abdi says:

    Dear matt

    Please do not be misled by some of the silly comments from what I think are young people with little understanding of the real political situation in Somalia. Many people have mentioned Somaliland and presented various arguments. I believe the question of Somaliland is very important to the stability of Somalia but only if you have an insight understanding of the region can you make anything that is even close to a solution. The territory formerly known as Somaliland consists of 6 regions it’s also inhabited by 4 major tribes and many smaller ones. During the days of British influence each tribe had their own agreement with the British, Somaliland was never colony neither was it a country it was protectorate and its official name was “The Somaliland protectorate” the only country that was recognised or anticipated before 1960 was Somalia that is why in 1960 Britain withdrew from Somaliland to allow for the creation of independent Somalia 3 days later and the fact that both Italy and Britain withdrew from Somalia at the same time was no accident this issues was agreed on years ago and planned with UN involvement from the early 1950’s. I am only saying this because a lot people who have no understanding of these facts throw around various claims about how Somaliland used to be a country; Somaliland was never a country and it was never anticipated to be one. But all that doesn’t even matter because if you understand the tribal structure of the region you will know for sure that a country called Somaliland is not possible anyway you look at it. Understanding the tribal structure is very important because in Somalia the tribe is the community, the political party and the power on the ground. In 1991 a few individuals consisting mostly of the former SNM insurgent group from one of the tribes in Somaliland the Isaq and a few individuals from the others declared independence from Somalia and claimed that Somaliland is a new country. All the other tribes who are the majority of the population of the region along with all the tribes of Somalia are aggressively opposed to this one tribe agenda. Therefore the so called Somaliland and its claimed independence is just another problem in a long list of tribal quarrels in Somalia and should be treated with equal light as with all the other problems in south central Somalia. Three autonomous regions that will come under the new federal government of somalia are already declared by other tribes within the territory that Somaliland claims; Maakhir, Khaatumo and Awdal states, so as you can see this entity called Somaliland that so many people are almost spamming you with is just another tribal problem in Somalia. The leader of Awdal state is just on a visit to Mogadishu in talks with the Somali government. I think this conference should make sure that the SNM militia and its leaders understands that their insistence on independence is not possible and the only result from it will be another violent war that devastates the region, which the conference should aim to prevent from happening and make it clear to the militia.. It is also very important to understand that not all the Isaq people support this separatist agenda and that the majority of the common people do not care about the SNM separatist movement, they just want peace and development in their country. However the lack of government in Somalia for the last 20 years meant that the SNM militia was controlling people’s opinions, they have actively supressed people who expressed nationalist ideas; this week alone they have imprisoned more than 20 journalists in Hargaisa for what they called “pro-Somalia news” and this has been the routine for the past 2 decades. The population in the cities that the SNM controls are not free to state their opinions and are in fact prisoners in their country living in extreme fear; many have been killed or tortured just for speaking out. When the united nations or other international community personal visits the region they are only allowed to visit a few pretty neighbourhoods in the city where everything is staged to look like it’s going all too well and that everyone agrees with the militia but this picture is far from the truth.

  74. Somaliland was not a part of Somalia and will not become a part of Somalia. This for those, who confused with terminology. The Somaliland-Somalia union was called Somali Republic and not Somalia to start with. This is for historical and legal clarification.

    Somaliland was annexed in 1960 by Somalia and that union was never ractified by the democratically elected Somaliland assembly. After thirty years of oppression, ethnic cleansing and genocide, the citizens of Somaliland agreed irrespective of their tribe affiliations have agreed to reclaim their independence from Somalia.

    Somaliland has achieved a lot since it left that union with Somalia and is not ready to waste all that by joining the chaotic Somalia. I think no sane person will propse for Somaliland become part and par

    • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

      Did you know that Somalia means the lands of Italian Somaliland and British Somaliland. Following that logic, all somali from Ras Kamboni to Saylac are Somalilanders. Somalilnders are somalis and their coutry is called Somalia. Sorry for busting your bubble, the people of Hargeisa you are just one clan from the many somali clans. You’re not some unique species…..the reason Mogadishu is burning it’s because it’s the seat of government and every warlord, radical group and rogue politician want to have his power there. That’s why AMISON is there too.

  75. Abdilahi says:

    This will just be another wasted opportunity as the people coming to this meeting are warlords and other criminals. These people don’t have a shred of human decency, they kill, rape, murder and yet the Somali’s trust them to lead. This must the 1000th gathering since 1991 and yet I see no change. I think the UK’s government shouldn’t waste their tax payer’s money on what will be another unproductive meeting.

  76. Ali M Jama says:

    The agenda for this conference as I understand it is to protect western interest in the region & to find a lasting solution for somali piracy along the Somalia’s puntland coast. This conference is not helping anybody (Somaliland or Somalia) except the west which is trying to recover from the EURO crisis & cannot afford anymore ships hijacked by puntland as shipping insurance rocketed to all time high. It’s so obvious to see unless of course you’re a warlord needing some cash in return!

  77. ali abdalah elmi says:

    Ali /hargeisa somaliland
    as you aware of somaliland is a free government and has special flag, arms ,money and any parts of nation so we will not participate any conference we are saying no Somalia we are somaliland so we are condemning every person who same somalia and somaliland we are two government sharing with boarder

  78. M.YUSUF says:

    DEAR MATT.
    Somaliland and Somalia are two different countries so we hope u only invite Somali people and not include Somaliland as a part of Somalia. thank you

    • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

      That is a strange position to take, i have just goggled all sovereign nations of the world and did not find ‘Somaliland’, but i did find Somalia and Hargeisa, Burco and Berbera triangle were cities in Somalia.

    • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

      “invite somali people only”

      So what are you? Eritrea lol……Somalilanders suffer from identity crisis, there not Somalis but come from ‘Somaliland’. Ha ha ha

      • NOA Hirsi says:

        Somaliland by being not a part of somalia means, it has a government of its own which takes care the administrative bussiness of the entire somaliland area. The so called TFG leaders are not the leaders of Somaliland because the do not control even the entire mogadisho. The TFG cannot exert its authority to Somaliland how can you then say Somaliland is part of Somalia. In reality, even pirateland is not part of somalia because they have their own flag, national anthem and a constitution.

  79. somaliland is not section of somalia states, so that please search peace of south somalia only

  80. Hondi Mansor says:

    Issues regarding piracy there is huge income for puntland, and current puntland authority they do not do anything but they receive huge income. As I am from puntland we live just under one corrupt dictator (Farole), we had neighbours TFG whom are corrupt and they are just tools not sincere what they are doing. Other side we had Somaliland which quite stable but had been udermining terrorist group called SSC which do not want and encourage dhulbahante tribe to take part democracy.

    What need the conference do is that to change capital from MOGADISHO TO HARGEISA, and give Somaliland leadership other wise need to split Somalia officially. Other wise my opinion they will be like South of Somalia. For us South we need to learn how to govern ourselfes.

  81. Ahmed M.Jama says:

    Hi Matt,
    don’t ever under estimate the will of the people in Somaliland. we sacrificed more than 150000 of our gallant boys to rec-claim our independence and we are ready to do the same or even more. The union in the year 1960 with south was unholy marriage and it will never happen again to share something with the people in the south except of being good supportive Neighbor. The dream of the greater Somalia once misled us not again.

  82. Hondi Mansor says:

    Sorry error 2nd paragraph i mean SSC not want to take part elections and democratic proces

  83. muse yusuf says:

    dea british.
    we are somaliland not somalia we want regonition and briatain must be the frist country who recognize somaliland becouse ur country knows the raelity.

  84. ahmed jama says:

    i am somalilander a state of somali , writing from hargeisa , I agree london conference and all agenda on that conference including, providing sustainable for amisom, supportin justice sectors,breaking piracy and destroying al-shabab and the rest of agenda in the meeting.
    this meeting will be good chances for somalis to build their future
    ahmed.

  85. abdisamed says:

    first i would like to tell mr matt that somaliland and somalia are two different countries , somaliland come from the willing and aspiration of people of somaliland. so, the international community must accept the demand of 5 million somalilander who have constitutional democratic nation , it also have elected president , parliament and local council which all elected free and fair elections which international observers were present in the election.

  86. Hondi Mansor says:

    Please read this article:
    Kenya: Intervening in Somalia – risky business with no end in sight (analysis) which is Norweigian council for africa and follow this link
    http://www.afrika.no/Detailed/21093.html

  87. HODAN says:

    Hi, Matt. we are somalian our country is one nation one people and somalia is somalia no one can make separate there is no need to divide, other hand I see the tripe of isaaq they are traying to say somaliland the meaning of somali is the people and land is the land so are they going to say two city became a country I don’t think so . example if you see the north of somalia there alot of tripes like dhulbahante calan they made KHAATUMO SATET OF SOMALIA, samaroon thay also made AWDAL STATE OF SOMALIA , the only tripe want to somalinad is isaaq .

    thanks matt

  88. somalia is of one nation , and there is only one government for somalia. therefore the sovereignty of somalia is indivisible.
    finaly i’m here to support the london conference on somalia for all states of somalia e.g somaliland state, khatumo state of somalia, puntland state of somalia, galmudug state of somalia and including the remaining states equal and equal participitation.

  89. Bashir Elabe says:

    Matt,
    Aside from the issue of Somaliland in the conference, the Somalis have had many attempts to restore peace, security and stability by similar conferences and unfortunately none of them was fruitful. Why? I guess that should be the right question to ask. From my point of view, none of the previous summits have never mentioned the roots of the problem. They all have something in common, repeating the same mistakes over and over, ignoring the fact on the ground, lack of seriousness and most importantly never pay attention to the voices of the people.

  90. yahye says:

    i am somalilander and we never united againg somalia that is our massege

  91. Iam a REAL somaliland & I was born in somaliland and i don’t believe what they are talking about those pple
    I believe My country somaliland and i never accept distaping ”
    I Need Three things only , one fore my nation to sport me 2 somalia to leave me alone 3 the would to recognize somaliland plz plz

    • Idil says:

      C/Kani M Hassan

      My Brother please see the wider picture… what is good for all the tribes in Northern Somalia.. think big not small ..have faith and hope in this great announcement by the British Government. Support peace, unity and dialogue for the benefit of all Somalis. Love all your fellow Northern Somalis equally.. despite tribe/root ..we are humans we all want to see a peaceful Somalia… we all need the support of the British Government.. so hale for all Northern Somali tribe regions (Awdal State, Somaliland, Khaatumo State and Puntland) to join hands and seek a better tomorrow and take advantage of this important conference.

      Thanks
      Idil

  92. Omer Ahmed Hassan says:

    Hi, Matt:
    One point in your agenda suggests the elimination of AlShabab from Somalia. I believe that it can be effectively achieved NOT through military power ONLY, but also with the help of all positive-minded religious leaders who must dare to express their opinions without any fear from them. The greater Somali religious leaders, except few in Somaliland, are not able to talk freely due to the lack of security in their areas, mostly Eastern & Southern Somalia as well Kenyan regions. By administering & delivering Fatwas against AlSahabab, these prominent Sheiks can clarify their positions and guide the Muslim world in the right direction. A Muslim should NOT kill another muslim. Saving one Muslim is like saving the whole world. Thank you. Omer

  93. iid says:

    Dear MATT.
    Iam from somaliland I born in somaliland iam 23yrs old from that day i born until now the only thing i know is my country somalilnd, I Blve in somaliland ever since i grew up my mother used to tell me one day just one day somaliland will be recognized by the International community. I love somaliland it’s in my heart plse respect our country will. Somaliland is free and fair country, we will not re unite somalia never, never..

    • Idil says:

      Dear iid…

      Please see the wider picture… what is good for all the tribes in Northern Somalia.. think big not small ..have faith and hope in this great announcement by the British Government. Support peace, unity and dialogue for the benefit of all Somalis.

      Love all your fellow Northern Somalis equally.. despite tribe/root ..we are humans we all want to see a peaceful Somalia… we all need the support of the British Government.. so hale for all Northern Somali tribe regions (Awdal State, Somaliland, Khaatumo State and Puntland) to join hands and seek a better tomorrow and take advantage of this important conference.

      Thanks

      Idil

  94. warsame says:

    HI every one
    i would like say thank you for great britain but the somaliland
    is peace full and democracy and the people of somalialand
    desaid tobe independent countray and they don,t wont back to
    other somalia NEVER.

    • Idil says:

      My Brother Warsame…

      Please see the wider picture… what is good for all the tribes in Northern Somalia.. think big not small ..have faith and hope in this great announcement by the British Government. Support peace, unity and dialogue for the benefit of all Somalis.

      Love all your fellow Northern Somalis equally.. despite tribe/root ..we are humans we all want to see a peaceful Somalia… we all need the support of the British Government.. so hale for all Northern Somali tribe regions (Awdal State, Somaliland, Khaatumo State and Puntland) to join hands and seek a better tomorrow and hop that all Northern Somalia states will take advantage of this important conference.

      Thanks

      Idil

  95. Hassan Ahmed says:

    Dear Mr. Matt Baugh

    Thanks for the great effort from the United Kingdom but I do believe that the agenda should not be included for Somaliland Republic. Otherwise this will not solve the Somalia problems.
    I suggest the conferences shall be talked about only Southern Somali issues and try to reach substantial agreement with in the southern Somalia before it covers the over all Somalia.
    The major important for the UK and the World is to find a peace in Somali but not to create an other problem with in Somalia.
    Somaliland had been an autonomous for more than 21 years now. Somaliland have all the governmental institutions which had been elected by the people democratically

    • Idil says:

      My Brother Hassan…

      Please see the wider picture… what is good for all the tribes in Northern Somalia.. think big not small ..have faith and hope in this great announcement by the British Government. Support peace, unity and dialogue for the benefit of all Somalis.

      Love all your fellow Northern Somalis equally.. despite tribe/root ..we are humans we all want to see a peaceful Somalia… we all need the support of the British Government.. so hale for all Northern Somali tribe regions (Awdal State, Somaliland, Khaatumo State and Puntland) to join hands and seek a better tomorrow and hope that all Northern Somalia states will take advantage of this important conference.

      Thanks

      Idil

  96. Guled says:

    somaliland deserve to be a recognised state for many reason indeed.
    its the best interest of all who are willing to see the end of teror in somali people. but why for 20 yrs not yet. infinitive NGS who are glad to keep on writting their project proposal with ways and means of getting budget by hook and crook mainly painting the reality in the ground.second neibouring third worlds who are after fame and economy nevertheless hoping the project to continue and asking for more funding indeed. this UN pinpointed transition to no where and a road map plan to no where is that how far we can go . its time to see the key which was infront of us in all time.by recognising somaliland and it will take care of the rest by dismanteling terror groups and finally help other somali group to find the right path.

    • Idil says:

      My Brother Guled…

      Please see the wider picture… what is good for all the tribes in Northern Somalia.. think big not small ..have faith and hope in this great announcement by the British Government. Support peace, unity and dialogue for the benefit of all Somalis.

      Love all your fellow Northern Somalis equally.. despite tribe/root ..we are humans we all want to see a peaceful Somalia… we all need the support of the British Government.. so hale for all Northern Somali tribe regions (Awdal State, Somaliland, Khaatumo State and Puntland) to join hands and seek a better tomorrow and hope that all Northern Somalia states will take advantage of this important conference.

      Thanks
      Idil

  97. Hashim Ismail Duale MBE says:

    Dear Matt
    I start in thanking British Government for their effort and I welcome the conference. Please allow me to use a metaphor here to make my crucial point as a Somali poet might have done more eloquently. Somalia is terminally ill patient and a team of doctors, who do not agree and do not comprehend each other, are called to cure the illness. My point is, on the occasion of the conference in London, that International community to sit down and have one common strategy for Somalia. The 40 plus nations attending need to set aside their differences and choose a lead country and other to follow. More than anything I hope and pray that International community takes this opportunity to unite their bilateral efforts and join their forces instead of competing. If I may I would like to end with a word of advice to Somali leaders; please put a side your differences and personal ambition and book yourself a place in the history to be remember as heroes who bring back peaceful Somalia.

  98. Mohamed Omer Maigag says:

    Dear Matt Baugh 

    I welcome this opportunity that the British Government  is extending to the people of Somalia to address the roots, causes and effects of the problems of Somalia. Successive conferences have attempted to bring  peace and stability in Somalia with no success.  As a British Somalilander, I wish my British Government the best of luck in overcoming the obstacles and the barriers that others who have tried to solve the Somalia puzzle have encountered, but you will need more than luck to conclude this conference with positive outcomes. You need to recognise and admit that while Somalia as you have stated has descended backwards in the last twenty years,  Somaliland ascended forward in the same period by establishing real peace and stability in the country as opposed to the relative stability you have talked about. 

    Somalilanders are always proud of the long history Somaliland had with Britain as a Protectorate   until it’s independence on 26 June 1960; an  independence the people of Somaliland have  surrendered few days later because of the blind love they had with the Greater Somalia ideal. This blind Love  lead to ill thought and illegitimate marriage  for which Somaliland nullified on 18 May 1991 by re establishing its Independebce from Somalia after years of oppression by the Siad Government regime. 

    Since its declaration of Independence, Somaliland had started building the country from scratch. The democracy that Somaliland has built since its re independence  is not only an example to Somalia but to the rest of the African continent.  There are plenty of examples about this:  the establishment of political parties,   fair and free elections, free press, functioning Government and Civil Institutions etc. What the world needs in order to find a meaningful solution to the problem of Somalia is to recognise the achievement of Somaliland, respect its sovereignty and to grant Somaliland the political recognition it has rightfully earned.  

    There is no sense and logic regarding  Somaliland as part of Somalia. If one of the measures of Democracy is about the acceptance of the will of the people,  Somalilanders  have exercised this will through a referendum in 2000 where over 97% of the population supported the independence of Somaliland. It is about time the International community respects and honours this will of the people of Somaliland.

    Politics is sometimes like religion. If you want to learn about a nation’s religion you need to approach that faith objectively by putting aside what ever thoughts and views you had about it. You need to take your shoes off and slip to to the shoes of that religion and walk the walk of the followers of that faith. 

    My sincere advice to you is to study the history and cause  of Somaliland with an open heart and mind without the interference of any external influences; this I’m sure will help you to arrive at fair judgement about the Somalia problem  you are trying to resolve. I’m not requesting from  you to become a Somalilander, I’m requesting from you not to deny and undermine the national identity of the Millions of  Somalilanders in the Globe  for they will exist even if you and our British Government and others in the International Community  deny their existence. 

    I wish you a very successful conference with positive and fair outcomes 

    Mohamed Omer Maigag 
    London – UK 

  99. Abdirahman Mo says:

    I believe, if Somaliland recognised Somalia will be soon in peace and Somaliland will take part for peace building in Somalia.
    International community must be carefull to give hand and support some terrorist elements those claimed as they are states of Somalia as Awdal State and Khaatumo State but in reality they are terrorist not different from Alshabaab.
    Whole international community and world leaders must know that they don’t ever under estimate the will of the people in Somaliland. We sacrificed more than 150 000 of our gallant boys to rec-claim our independence and we are ready to do the same or even more. as my friends also mentioned above.

    • Idil says:

      My Brother Abdirahman Mo…

      Calling other tribes residing in Northern Somalia ‘terrorists’ or ‘alshabaab’ does not give you a good image in the eyes of the world and in the eyes of your fellow Somali brothers and Sisters. Even babies nowadays know that Northern Somalia states (Awdal, Somaliland, Khaatumo and Puntland) have tribal issues to resolve not alshabaab issues..

      So please understand that in your attempt to mislead Matt.. you’re making your tribal hatred more obvious than you realize ….

      The death you claim were one subjected to and suffered by all Northern Somalis i.e. all tribes.. so lets not mull over a past which cannot change when we can see a future we can shape together.

      So my brother please see the bigger picture… what is good for all the tribes in Northern Somalia.. think big not small ..have faith and hope in this great announcement by the British Government. Support peace, unity and dialogue for the benefit of all Somalis.
      ….
      Love all your fellow Northern Somalis equally.. despite tribe/root ..we are humans we all want to see a peaceful Somalia… we all need the support of the British Government.. so hale for all Northern Somali tribe regions (Awdal State, Somaliland, Khaatumo State and Puntland) to join hands and seek a better tomorrow and hope that all Northern Somalia states will take advantage of this important conference.

      Thanks
      Idil

  100. Walid Abdirahman says:

    My Name Is Walid Abdirahman Ali I am In Somaliland , i told u some thing Somaliland is Indepentent Country , We Will Nver Go To Somaliya Incase Our Recognition takes 10 Years After and Every Wise Man can See the Peace and Fair In Somaliland ……..
    Thanks All
    Walid Abdirahman Ali

    • Idil says:

      My Brother Walid…

      Please see the wider picture… what is good for all the tribes in Northern Somalia.. think big not small ..have faith and hope in this great announcement by the British Government. Support peace, unity and dialogue for the benefit of all Somalis.

      Love all your fellow Northern Somalis equally.. despite tribe/root ..we are humans we all want to see a peaceful Somalia… we all need the support of the British Government.. so hale for all Northern Somali tribe regions (Awdal State, Somaliland, Khaatumo State and Puntland) to join hands and seek a better tomorrow and hope that all Northern Somalia states will take advantage of this important conference.

      Thanks
      Idil

  101. dalton says:

    Hi, Matt first i would like to appreciate British pm , let me tell you what is somaliland right now , somaliland now is one clan called isaaq, there are two new state like, khaatumo state of somalia which consist three region , sool, sanag , cayn , the bigst clans where they live it, like dhulbahante clan and the other state is awdal state where 2 clans live like gudibeersa and ciise , plz do not misunderstand what somaliland administration said , somaliland is only one clan is isaaq , what somaliland was here is some Facts of the case In the area which became British Somaliland Protectorate in the late 19th century the Somali people
    were traditionally divided into clans, each being separated and independent from the others. Since then
    and until independence of Somaliland Protectorate in 1960 each clan maintained connections with the
    British government separately from other ones as the Protectorate treaties signed between United
    Kingdom and clans recognized that each clan area was a separate Territory. These treaties are the evidence
    that Great Britain prevented creation of a unitary state of Somali people. Somaliland Protectorate had
    never been indivisible and therefore had no experience in governing the state. Nevertheless there were
    common ethnicity, language, culture, Muslim religion, and pastoral life – bonds that were shared with
    other Somali people in all Somali areas in the Horn of Africa including the Italian-administered Somalia to
    the East and South of the Protectorate. These bonds provided an opportunity for Somaliland to unite with
    the same ethnic group and create a national state which would consolidate politically disintegrated Somali
    people. Creation of such a state was necessary to unfairly divided on the colonies Somali people and was
    an important stage in evolution from uncoordinated clans to centralized state.
    5. On June, 26, 1960 Somaliland Protectorate became independent and gaining this independence annulled
    treaties signed with Great Britain. In accordance with preliminary consensus and agreement among the
    northern clans Somaliland merged with Somalia on July 1, 1960 thus forming the unitary Somali Republic.
    The entire intention of gaining independence from Britain was precisely to unite with the rest of the
    country that gained independence in 1959 and to create state which would unite Somali people. It can be
    proved by the fact that the state of Somaliland existed only in the period of six days after receiving
    independence and all the activity of the state in this period was turned to formal preparation for creation
    of the unitary state which was negotiated previously. The willingness of people to create unitary state was
    proved by the results of the referendum held in June, 20, 1961 over the entire territory of Somali Republic
    on the draft constitution of the unitary state. According to the results of this referendum published in the
    African Election Database 1,756,216 people which are 90. 56 % of population voted in favor of the
    constitution. Thus the creation of the state was in the interests of Somali people and freely determined by
    them and abolished previous states formations such as Somalia and Somaliland.
    6. The Unitary state – Somali Republic was recognized by the international community on September, 20,
    1960 when Somali Republic was accepted into the United Nations. Previous states formation such as
    Somalia and Somaliland were a legacy of unfair division on the colonies and stopped their existence after
    unification and entrance into the United Nations. All the governmental institutions of previous states were
    ceased and union government was formed. This united state was recognized by international community
    and became a subject of international law with all the privileges of sovereign state being applicable for
    Somali Republic. Thus entry into the United Nations definitively abolished previous states formations
    such as Somalia and Somaliland because the United Nations resolution formed new sate formation with all
    the rights, privileges in international law.

  102. HASSAN says:

    First and foremost the secessionist enclave called “Somaliland” has never been a legitimate state in the eyes of the international community. It exists only in the minds and hearts of its die-hard supporters whose SNM militia had singlehandedly fabricated this non-existent mirage entity in defiance of the will of all the other Somali clans in the northern regions, following the collapse of the last central government of Somalia. According to secessionists, “Somaliland’ was created in Burao by representatives of all clans from the former British Somaliland. This is a pure fantasy as this bogus state was concocted by a gun-toting clan militia which, alongside other armed Somali militias, violently brought down the last functioning central government of Somalia led by the late Mohamed Siyad Barre. In an atmosphere shrouded with secrecy, suspicion, fear and intimidation, the participants of the infamous Burao conference were simply coerced into signing a blank check for outright secession, which they did under duress. The fact that many elders had retracted their statement after returning home safe and sound speaks volumes about the validity and legitimacy of this so-called consensus agreement between former British Somaliland clans.
    A little over twenty years have gone since the invention of this imaginary state, and yet no country in the whole world had bothered in the slightest to recognize “Somaliland” as an independent and sovereign country, including regional bodies such as IGAD and Arab league to which the mother country, Somalia, is a member. If a single valid attribute for statehood was evident in “Somaliland’s” otherwise fake dossier for a separate statehood, it would have been recognized by the international community decades ago in the same way as Kosovo, East Timor, Eretria and South Sudan were recognized.

    In an interview with the Economist magazine in 1997, aware of the mammoth task facing his enclave, the late Mohamed Haji Ibrahim Igal had vainly pleaded the international community to grant “Somaliland” a status similar to that of the Palestinian Authority. This could have, at minimum, granted the secessionists in Hargeisa the legal basis to interact with the international community and mitigate their financial hardships caused by its self-imposed exile. This proposition was rejected by the international community with derision and the hunt for a separate statehood went on unabated. Despite the relentless push for an international recognition by the hardcore secessionists, the bottom line is that nobody wants to see the fragmentation, mutilation and the dismemberment of Somali state along tribal fiefdoms. The mere fact that secession lasted more than twenty years is purely down to lack of an alternative government in Mogadishu, the Somali capital, coupled with the inability of Somalis in the south and central Somalia to put their houses in good order. Had they done that, the secession would have folded ages ago.

    Now, with the establishment of Darwishland state in the lands of brave SSC and the earlier declaration of Awdalstate in the west, “Somaliland’s” unrealistic dream of achieving its own fantasy statehood among the international community is severely dented by Talex announcement and the likelihood of recovering from this massive blow is as remote as ever.

    A confluence of events has gone against the secessionists lately. The biggest one was delivered by Djibouti’s president in a platter. In a frank interview with Jane Afrique, Ismail Omer Gheuleh mentioned in no uncertain terms that the creation of “Somaliland” was a big mistake fraught with diplomatic difficulties. “They put the cart before the horse”: he said. He went on to say: “it was hastily erected without proper consultation with all the concerned stakeholders in the region as well as those in Somalia proper. In a nutshell, what president Geulleh was saying, though difficult for secessionists to stomach, was a fact known already in the diplomatic quarters in Africa and elsewhere that no country in the world is foolish enough to fall for the lies of SNM-backed administration in Hargeisa. As far as the international community is concerned, Somalia is an entity that is inseparable. End of the story.

    Shortly afterwards Geulleh hammer blow, came the announcement of Khaatumo 2, the long-awaited SSC conference that was going to spell trouble for the secessionists. This mortal blow from Talex, a place of great significance in the Somali history, was the last to knock off the secessionists from its treacherous path of anti-Somali. Talex is the place where all have begun; it is the place where the great Somali nationalist, Sayid Mohamed Abdulle Hassan, had dug in to defend the country from the British colonialists. This is the place where the long struggle for Somali independence and pride began and culminated in the creation of Somali republic in 1960. And, hopefully, this is where the Somali renaissance is about to begin now. Ismail Hurre aka Ismail Buubaa, a veteran Somali politician and a former foreign minister of TFG currently based in Nairobi, had compounded the misery of secessionists by declaring “Somaliland” project nil and void. Untenable!

    While penning this article, I learnt the secessionists had launched a bloody attack against the innocent civilians of Buhodle and, as they did previously in Las Anod, left death and destruction in their wake. The sad fact is that the president of the secessionist “Somaliland”, supported by his warmongering politicians in Hargeisa, has sanctioned this cowardly attack following his pugnacious speech in front of the enclave’s parliament in response to the establishment of Darwishland state in Talex. And the reason for this attack according to secessionists is to protect the “integrity and sovereignty” of “Somaliland” from anti-Somaliland elements. Ironically, the anti-Somaliland elements described in Ahmed Silanyo’s bellicose speech are the rightful owners of the very land the secessionists are hypocritically staking claim on. Lacking international legitimacy themselves, how secessionists justify their encroachments on other peoples’ land is beyond belief. The worst hypocrisy known to mankind is alive and kicking in the secessionist camp. Buhodle and the other towns in the SSC territory may suffer at the hands of secessionists now and then, but not for so long. The peace-loving Somalis all around the country, including the emerging TFG, will soon come to their rescue because they stand for Somali unity, whilst secessionists stand for the dismemberment and humiliation of the Somali nation.

    In conclusion, the secession of “Somaliland” is doomed to fail. The days of secession have long gone, whilst the days of Somalinimo are gaining the momentum we lost many years ago. The emergence of Darwishland state is what Somalis in the Northern regions were longing for all those long and agonizing years. It may have delivered the final blow to the secessionists.

  103. Adem says:

    The unholly alliance of the Secessionist One-Clan-Somaliland, Al Shabaab, and DahabShiil Money Transfer Company is the evil behind all that went wrong in Somalia. Nowadays, the evil has started to spill over in neighboring countries and the region with a strong concern that it could further affect other parts of the world, if not effectively contained.
    Sheikh Ali warsame a Somalilander exteremist cleric stationed in the town of Burao in the North of Somalia and the founder of Al Shabaab an offspring of AL Itihad an exteremist religious movement that preceded the Al Shabaab is believed to have very close collaboration with Dahabshiil Money Transfer owner Mohamed said, Al Shabaab Movement, and Ahmed Siilaanyo, the SNM newly elected leader. The three men are very closely related and hail from the Habar Jeclo Issak sub clan. Ahmed Godane, another Somalilander, the leader of Al Shabaab is a junior appointed to represent the interests of the secessionist Issak clan and keep the South of Somalia in ruins to facilitate an international recognition for the Issak tribal enclave in the North of Somalia a.k.a Somaliland.
    In RAND Report, an American Think Tank, on Radical Islam in East Africa the authors wrote, “In mid-2006, Sheikh Ali Warsame, the founder of AIAI (who is based in Bur’o, Somaliland), reportedly sent $250,000 to the courts.” this means the money was sent to Al Shabaab and perhaps through Dahabshiil. Thus, Dahabshiil is suspected to be the financier and lifeline of logistics and money movement in and out for Al Shabaab.
    the Sool, Sanaag, and Cayn Regions of North Somalia are confronted with the Evil Triangle in Somalia and they are determined to defeat it and save Somalia, the region, and the world at large from its destructive consequences. The SSC further appeal to the international community to assist them succeed in this mission of mutual interest

  104. OSMAN says:

    THE ONE AND ONLY SOLUTIONS AND EVER LASTING PEACE IN SOMALIA IS TO LET THEM DECIDE WHAT IS GOOD FOR THEM BY THEM SELVIES AND NO CONFERENCES AND NO OUTSIDE INTERVENTIONS OTHER WISEWE WILL BE TALKING THE VERY SAME TOPICES FOR THE NEXT 100 YEARS.. SIMPLE AND PLAIN LANGUAGE EVEY COUNTRY AND EVRY BODY SHOULD LEAVE SOMALIS TO DECIDE THEIR DESTINY…..

  105. Allamagan says:

    DEAR MATT.
    Somaliland is not part of somalia,Somaliland and Somalia are two different countries so we hope u only invite Somali people and not include Somaliland as a part of Somalia.
    Thank you
    God bless Republic of Somaliland

  106. HInda says:

    Hi Matt,
    It has been twenty years since the Somaliland Government Institutions and Political Parties were put in place. Most of the Somalilanders are ignorant about the facts behind the curtain. Somalilanders are not aware of how the domination prevailing in Somaliland came into being. Some of us who knew the danger of dividing power by the number of regions and not by population but chosen peace over argument and war are not now surprised the complete domination. We knew this has been forthcoming.

    Excuse me if I repeat certain facts over and over again because people have to understand the reason why justice and personal and tribal rights are not respected in Somaliland. Showing the world that you created a nation where democracy, peace, justice, and human rights are assured and at same time behaving a superpower in your country and shutting your eyes, ears, and mind from the once-in-a while brutal murders and injustices taking place in the country and not serving justice enshrined in the so-called constitution is just showing your people that you are the dominant clan who fought for the their freedom. When all Political Parties are emanating from your clan and the others are just followers and at same time have the control over all government institutions that means you have consolidated Isaaq domination over Somaliland.

    The political season has started in Somaliland. In addition to the previous dominant parties, several others are formed. The new parties are also from the same tribe and no other clan in Somaliland has announced their own parties. This is a trap and a death penalty for the rest of the country. This means that certain regions are shunted aside in the power-sharing and becoming underdogs. The leaders of all political parties whether they are new or old are competing in Awdal/Salal regions. The followers are flocking to their sides and even fighting for a place holder in those parties.

    The events happening in Awdal is the result of a campaign imposed on them. Awdal people are fighting over Sultans and Ugaas. The talk in Borama is mainly a tit-for-tat on unreasonable argument based on this clan or that clan, however, people have not realized this fight is not coming from within but imported from Hargeisa and further. The special interest groups among us are aligning themselves into the ranks of imported political parties and giving more strength and teeth to the domination.
    There is no what is so called Somaliland. It is trying to seccede from somalia with no reason. There are many tribes in somaliland but all but Isaaq, don’t want this seccesionist idea. It is incredible for a community with the same religion, the same culture and same language be divided into different parts. They have been in this deep dream for twenty years and cutting its people from the rest of the world. The international community must work to bring all somalis together and form federal government in which every region controls its territory.

  107. Mohamed Ase says:

    Twenty long years have elapsed since the one-clan secessionist state called “Somaliland” was declared unilaterally in Burao in 1991 under the blazing guns of the then victorious SNM fighters, following the collapse of the Somali state led by the late Mohamed Siyad Barre. The real objective behind the creation of this phantom state that would never see light of day was to establish primarily a country dominated politically, economically and socially by one clan, the clan that supported SNM through thick and thin.

    The proponents of this mirage state have never anticipated the consequences of their rather unfortunate decision as they never gave a proper thought to the reactions of unionist clans in the region, or the consequences such a decision may have on the rest of Somalis. Northern Somalia is home to Warsengeli and Dhulbahante in the east, Isaq the SNM Clan in the Centre, Gadaboursi and Issa in the West and several other numerically smaller clans scattered all over the region. Irrespective of the reactions of regional and international communities, it was always going to be difficult for the SNM clan to install their own fiefdom in the midst of formidable strong unionist clans who always banked on the support of other Somali clans in central and southern Somalia to counter such a state.

    Dr. Mohamed Abdillahi Omar, the foreign
    minister of Somaliland
    International recognition hit dead-end

    In a recent interview with Somalilandpress.com, Dr. Mohamed Abdillahi Omar, the foreign minister and the former lecturer of Brunel University in London, admitted rather diplomatically that the secessionist’s endeavor to gain the much-sought after international recognition had hit difficulties. In other words, it is dead in the water. Without exactly saying the word dead, he mentioned his initially hyped trip to China alongside with Ahmed Silanyo in which tripartite trade deals between China, Ethiopia and “Somaliland” were supposed to be signed had ended in failure for reasons Dr. Omar deliberately avoided to explain but believed to be related to the enclave’s status in the international community. The painful fact is that “Somaliland” cannot enter deals with the outside world because, as far as international community is concerned, they don’t exist. The international community, including regional bodies such as IGAD and Arab league, doesn’t recognize “Somaliland” as a legitimate state. They recognize the TFG of Sheikh Sharif Ahmed as the sole and legitimate government of Somalia.

    In addition to Dr. Omar’s candid admission, anyone who observed Ahmed Silanyo’s statements during his recent trip to London, Addis Ababa and Djibouti, together with his body language will tell that the most veteran politician in the enclave, who had seen better days in Somalia during a spell of eight years as being a prominent economics minister, may finally be giving up this unattainable dream that exhausted the enclave’s meager resources. Unlike Riyaale, who used to promise the earth as far as international recognition is concerned every time he returned home from personal trips to abroad, often hyped as official trips by “Somaliland” officials, the incumbent Ahmed Silanyo is at least honest enough to show his frustration and share his lack of progress with the public in the attainment of international recognition.

    His recent after-midnight interview with the “Somaliland” press in which he talked, among other things, the lack of progress in the hunt of international acceptance is another indication that things are not getting better for the secessionists. In fact, things are getting from bad to worse. Despite privately endorsing “Somaliland”, it is an open secret that Ethiopia had never wanted to see another Somali state, albeit “Somaliland”, breathing on its neck, although politicians in Addis are happy to see the continuation of the status quo in the Somali peninsula as it suits them pretty well. Worst of all, Ethiopia has smelled a rat in Ahmed Silanyo’s cabinet and this made things even more complicated than they were under Rayaale’s regime. Zenawi, who was in good terms with Rayaale’s government, sees certain prominent ministers of Ahmed Silanyo’s government, among them Mohamed Hashi Elmi and the the now departed Dr. Gaboose, as staunch supporters of Somaliweyn (greater Somalia), hence a threat to the Ethiopian sovereignty. Ethiopia, believed to be an honest friend of “Somaliland” rather mistakenly, may have finally pulled the brakes on the secessionist’s runaway train.

    SSC and Awdalstate factor

    Baroness Lynda Chalker
    The communities of Sool, Sanaag and Cayn as well as Makhir have always detested the idea of one-clan state being erected in their backyard and declared their intention from the get go that they would not entertain such a notion. But the secessionists, having amassed weapons and believed that nobody can withstand with their might, had gone alone with it anyway and formed an administration called “Somaliland” in the former British Somali Protectorate in Northern Somalia.

    At the height of secession in the early nineties, “Somaliland” supporters in the Diaspora community in the UK were reportedly told by the former British Secretary of State for Overseas Development, Lynda Chalker (now Baroness chalker of Wallassy), that for “Somaliland” project to stand any chance of succeeding, they [secessionists] should bring other northern clans onboard the secession bandwagon, a mammoth task that was always going to be difficult to undertake. Believing that everyone was on their side, the secessionist flatly rejected such a suggestion. So long as SNM had the upper hand militarily, they couldn’t care the feelings of unionist clans. This had created resentment among unionist communities in SSC, Makhir and Awdal.

    Then as expected came Awdal State in March 2011, a Diaspora-inspired regional administration that threw the gauntlet to Hargeisa-based authority. Although secessionists have taken Awdalities for granted for reasons only known to them unlike SSC, a simmering resentment was always brewing in the residents of these two regions, particularly among the Diaspora community toward the secession. Awdal and Salel regions are now buzzing with the news that, at long last, an administration of their own had finally arrived, even though still at its infancy. With both SSC and Awdal State, not to mention Makhir State, challenging the SNM hegemony on former British Somaliland territories, the secession movement that could not manage a single support from the international community in their favor over a period of twenty years is coming to a grinding halt. All diplomatic doors are slammed on their face as far as international recognition is concerned.

    TFG and Mogadishu factor

    After a long and bloody civil war that has decimated more than half of its population, Mogadishu, the war-ravaged capital of Somalia, is finally emerging from its miserable past. A normal semblance of life is springing up everywhere in the city, not to mention people going out and doing their day-to-day normal chores without looking over their shoulders. Even a Turkish man (BBC report) was spotted cycling in one of the Mogadishu streets as recently as this week, a thing that was unthinkable only a few months ago. Foreign countries are re-opening their missions. The Al-Shabaab terrorist group, which brought death and destruction to the residents of Mogadishu, is on the wane although they can still pose a threat to certain areas of the city and its environs. For a large number of northern Somalia population, this is the news they longed for many years. Should peace continue to prevail in Mogadishu (and it is most likely this time round), there is no reason why many northerners would not contemplate going back to their properties in Mogadishu aka Xamar and re-start a new life. A similar situation occurred during the short spell the Islamic Courts Union (ICU) restored law and order in Mogadishu where almost half of Burao’s residents were believed to be on their toes.

    The current situation in Mogadishu will encourage business communities in Hargeisa, Burao, Las Anod, Borama, Erigavo and others major cities and towns in the northern Somalia to relocate their business, or at least partially, to Mogadishu, largely due its higher population together with the fact that Mogadishu is the capital of internationally-recognized Somalia. Consequently, it will have a knockdown effect on the population of Hargiesa, the current capital of the secessionists. The secessionist may think this a fantasy, but believe me you things are turning good for Somalia in general and Mogadishu in particular, and every secessionist doubting this fact is living a cloud in cuckoo land.

    In conclusion, if the recent events taking place in “Somaliland” are to be considered very carefully, the wheels are certainly coming off the secessionist campaign. Nothing is going in their way despite using all sorts of tactics, including hiring foreign mercenaries. Exhaustion and fatigue is showing on the faces of all the major shakers and movers of “Somaliland” project, including the top two – Ahmed Silanyo and Dr. Omar. If tenacity and hard work alone can bring international recognition, which was abundant in the secessionist camp, the one-clan state of “Somaliland” would have been celebrated in Hargeisa and Burao many years ago.

    “Somaliland” politicians had left no stone unturned as far as international recognition is concerned, but what they forgot to understand is the fact that the issue of secession is simply untenable. Nobody is going to buy it, especially when there is no concrete reason for secession is evident. Colonel Ojukwu, who just passed away this week in London after a long illness, tried it before and failed when he had declared a secessionist state called Biafra in Nigeria in 1967. This claimed the lives of more than one million people and ended in failure. After more than decades in the wilderness, colonel Ojukwu redeemed himself and ran for the office of presidency of Nigeria in the 2000s. I hope the current politicians of “Somaliland” will redeem themselves and initiate a constructive dialogue with their counterparts in Mogadishu for the sake of their people as well as for the good of Somali nation as a whole.

    • ahmed ismail erigavo says:

      what the international community need to see is
      people of somaliland have ther destiny on ther hands and no one can take that away from us we now the hate people in somlia have for us but we are ready to defend this young nation god bess somaliland amiin

  108. ABDI DEEK MOHAMOUD says:

    Dear United Kingdom people and government…

    its very important to deeply understand that best solution of somalia is recognition of somaliland.

    somaliland is peacefull since 1991 and they can play an important role is peace process of somalia.

    thnks

  109. Mohamud Haji Elmi of London says:

    Dear Matt Baught
    I am welcoming the idea to review the actual situation in Somalia.
    The main essence of UK conference in my opinion is to know more information about Somalia’s political structure, by consulting those who are already on the political arena. Meanwhile since the announcement of this conference we have seen on going attempts to establish a number of self autonomous mini states, you name it. That is the mentality which has been flourishing for the last twenty years.
    With the exception of the newly created technocrat, the Somali politics is leaded by unqualified personnel whom have a mere idea about the new world order, or doesn’t understand how to cement a good international relation to the rest of world
    On the other hand when something happens against the existence of your people such as repeated droughts, floods, polluted air quality, the great politicians make unscheduled meeting to tackle the threatening situation. That didn’t happen in Somalia, the parliament never made a session to talk about the drought, this is an index that can show you their poor quality. In fact Somalia has human resources that can cover its urgent needs, if they get the chance to be heard, but their presence inside the country will be the key factor and more influential, rather than debating on TV.s to solve their differences.

  110. Mohamud Haji Elmi of London says:

    Dear Matt

    I am welcoming the idea to review the actual situation in Somalia

    The main essence of UK conference in my opinion is to know more information about Somalia’s political structure, by consulting those who are already on the political arena. Meanwhile since the announcement of this conference we have seen on going attempts to establish a number of self autonomous mini states, you name it. That is the mentality which has been flourishing for the last twenty years.
    With the exception of the newly created technocrat, the Somali politics is leaded by unqualified personnel whom have a mere idea about the new world order, or doesn’t understand how to cement a good international relation to the rest of world
    On the other hand when something happens against the existence of your people such as repeated droughts, floods, polluted air quality, the great politicians make unscheduled meeting to tackle the threatening situation. That didn’t happen in Somalia, the parliament never made a session to talk about the drought, this is an index that can show you their poor quality. In fact Somalia has human resources that can cover its urgent needs, if they get the chance to be heard, but their presence inside the country will be the key factor and more influential, rather than debating on TV.s to solve their differences

  111. Mohamed Gelyac says:

    Thanks for the update about the conference on somalia. Somali people are great-full with any sort of method or efforts that can restore their statehood. But I believe the best method of rebuilding is the Turkish model which only focuses humanitarian and redevelopment of infrastructure.

    thanks

  112. Ismail Gadiid says:

    Dear Mr Matt

    Iam very glad that you “Matt” sharing with us this information, very quickly let me put forward couple of points:
    1) I have never been a citizen for a country call SOMALIA and certainly never will but I was a citizen for a country use to call SOMALI REPUBLIC which died over 30 years ago when the people of French SOMALILAND chose to be a sovereign country better known now as DJIBOUTI.
    Supposed SOMALI REPUBLIC = SOMALILAND + DJIBOUTI + SOMALI-ETHIOPIAN REGION + SOMALIA + SOMALI KENYAN REGION(NFD). The result = FAILED, that is why SOMALILAND + SOMALIA did not and will not work, they(Somalia)tried very hard to hold against the will of the people using every available method like economic sanctions, putting behind the bars and lastly military muscles.
    2) whichever way you”Matt/Britain Gov.” choose I am very glad that you have enough evidence to convince you the truth from the comments above when it comes SOMALILAND case, put on the shelf those are fore SOMALILAND and take those against it to examine their key points vs documented Facts, legal point of views and historical proof etc.

    Now the Somali people who are against the facts and historical documented proof
    1) You are desperately showing that you fed up the destructions, killings and Lawlessness going on your back home for 20 yrs and once again you happy to see a light of hope that at last Great Britain will succeed once for all and find out a way forward yet again and again ignorantly/arrogantly denying 100% well documented FACTS simply because you hated/not your favour, how on earth you want to solve your problems using this kind of formula?
    2) amazingly you telling the world the borders between Somalis in KENYA and Somalis in SOMALIA is RIGHT and same as the one between Somalis in ETHOPIA and Somalis in SOMALIA but when it comes the border between Somalis in SOMALILAND and Somalis in SOMALIA you are claiming it is IRRELEVANT,ILLEGAL and AN ACCEPTABLE and your foolish justification is, it was inherited from British empire and since they were colonial power/enemy to the Somalis and we were fiercely fight with the British for long 20 yrs therefore it is null and void.
    Now let me ask you(a sick Somali Men) question? who were the ITALIANS,FRENCH,ETHIOPIAN EMPIRE and KENYANS? your uncles or your step dads, good GOD be realistic guys before claiming you want a peace,reconciliation and lasting solution, you must and must ready to hear the truth/fact though you hated most and that will be when you ever close to the Goal.

    Good Luck and wonder how many more years to go?
    Ismail Gadiid London

  113. Ahmed says:

    Dear Matt
    It is good opportunity to see the Britain after nearly 21 years absence from the Somali conflict, even thought it done some humanitarian, but worse in collaborating with US and Ethiopia against Islamic Courts movements. The colonial history is another set which is part of today Somalia’s conflict, whether is the issue of Ogadenia or NFD, this resulted incompleteness of Somali constitution, because previous regime recognized the Somalia borders as precolonial borders, while current one is micro-managed by IGAD fear such inclusion in the transitional charter or future permanent constitution. That is one thing, which is the legacy of colonization.

    From above threads there is a missing voice, the VOICE of SILENT SUFFERERS. You will discover more on this if you can visit the IDP camps in Bossaso, Hargeisa and Mogadisho and elsewhere.

    The people of Maay speaking communities, Banadiris, Bravanis, Bantu, voices are missing, they are the victims of 20 year long conflict.

    The conference should make a strong point the need for establishing a tribunal that investigates the genocides that occurred in the past 20 years. Not necessary mean referral to ICC but any Somali government should set-up a tribunal that is assisted by international experts on this matter as happened in Rwanda, Sierra Leone and elsewhere.

    Thanks

  114. Dahir Alasow says:

    Dear,
    this is nice sounds because great Uk know more Somali culture

  115. Dahir Alasow says:

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    • NOA Hirsi says:

      are lacking some grey matter in you skull here is a forum to comment about meeting for somalia and you come here to brag about you so called fake and not acquired credential, nin is faanshey waa rii isnuugtey.

  116. Kaled says:

    Somaliland’s Case Deserves to be heard by British.

    Matt Baugh
    since London Conference on Somalia would become the solution of the long chaos in Somalia since last 20yrs, we somaliland see important step to finding a sustainable peace in the Somalia problem.
    As Somalia disintegrated into the current crisis weather it famine, or displaced people. so in order to find final and lasting solution.
    But we somaliland believe any agenda regarding Somali Recociliation Conference Without priortising, first the issue between Somalia vs Somaliland will not result lasting peace in this region of Horn of Africa. and British must understand before any thing else that somaliland is not part of somalia, so any conference on somalia issue somaliland will not be a part.
    The state of Somaliland was a British Protectorate under the British rule from 1884 until 26th June 1960 and as a result got its independence on 26th June 1960 from the United Kingdom of Britain and the Republic of Ireland. After gaining independence immediately 35 countries recognised Somaliland including Egypt.
    The bonds of this union had been shattered by the dictator Siyad Barre who had unleashed a campaign of violence bordering on genocide against somaliland civilians,
    At the time of its reestablishment, Somaliland’s towns were destroyed; its infrastructure lay in tatters and much of population were living in refugee camps. Despite the devastation suffered,
    After The state of Somalia has collapsed since 1991 with no central government. The Republic of Somaliland have reclaimed their sovereignty on 18 May 1991. The so called unlawful and political union between the independent Republic of Somaliland and Somalia ( Italy Somalia) in 1960 to form The Somali State was nullified.
    As a result Somaliland reclaimed her sovereignty rights, its territorial integrity and its separate national identity with its original International defined borders inherited from the United Kingdom of Britain and the Republic of Ireland.
    The rebirth of the Sate of Somaliland confirms with the AU charter since Somaliland has reclaimed her independence within the boundaries inherited from the colonial borders of the Ex-British Somaliland. The OAU in its resolution -AHG/REG. 161, provided for a pledge by all member states to respect the boundaries existing on their achievement of national independence. In reality Somaliland was a state within a state.
    Somaliland has fulfilled all the legal and political requirements of statehood. According to article 2 of the U.N. charter, Somaliland has fulfilled the legal requirements of statehood. In addition, Somaliland has a constitution, currency, flag,passport, national anthem, a legislative body, functioning judiciary, military army and a democratic elected government.
    Somaliland has fulfilled all the legal and political requirements of statehood. According to article 2 of the U.N. charter, Somaliland has fulfilled the legal requirements of statehood. In addition, Somaliland has a constitution, currency, flag, national anthem, a legislative body, functioning judiciary, military army and a democratic elected government.
    Somaliland has fulfilled all the legal and political requirements of statehood. According to article 2 of the U.N. charter, Somaliland has fulfilled the legal requirements of statehood. In addition, Somaliland has a constitution, currency, flag, national anthem, a legislative body, functioning judiciary, military army and a democratic elected government
    Somaliland has fulfilled all the legal and political requirements of statehood. According to article 2 of the U.N. charter, Somaliland has fulfilled the legal requirements of statehood. In addition, Somaliland has a constitution, currency, flag, national anthem, a legislative body, functioning judiciary, military army and a democratic elected government.
    Since 1991 the Republic of somaliland have successfully managed to rebuild their nation from next to nothing with minimum assistance from the international community, they have established peace, and the rule of low.
    In May 2001 97% of Somaliland voters approved a new constitution, voting for independence and laying the basis for a multiparty system.
    somalilnd send eyes and hears of the world for that vote, and somaliland gained its Independence with the willing of the people of somaliland,
    so somaliland will not be part of that conformance British must understand that point in Oder to find lasting solution to somalia.
    if they ignore that their will be consequence,
    Finally, we have witnessed the separation between East Timor and Indonesia, Eritrea and Ethiopia, Kosovo and Serbia and most recently Sudan and South Sudan. Whatever the decision taken by the international community regarding about the future of Somaliland republic, whether as an independent country or not, must also seriously take into consideration their total determination for reaching and achieving their ultimate desire. Therefore the will and the proportion of its 3.5 million citizens who despite of 20 years of peace and progress, have thus far been denied the full economic benefits that a full recognition as statehood of their own country would bring.”

  117. Adam Dheere says:

    Salaam Matt,
    I’m Somalilander and my father was the British Royal Navy for almost 40 years. He served the whole WW2 and fought from the Pacific, Europe and North Africa…etc. We have been standing side by side with Great Britain when they needed us and we expect you the same now. Recongise our Great country –Somaliland.

    The Agenda of this conference must be only for South Somalia. It’s impossible to talk about a peaceful democratic country like Somaliland in any form or shape in this conference. When they become a normal people who can stand on their feet, govern their own country with no foreign support (they can’t even govern Mogadishu and they want to talk about Somaliland – Shame on You!), then we can talk to them about how we can work together in trades/business or other related matters, BUT not politics at all. Somaliland is gone for ever and we will NEVER be part of the MAFIA REPUBLIC(S Somalia)

    There are some political warlords and extremist/ opportunist, who writing here some comments claiming they are Somalilanders and they want to be part of Somalia but we want to say Somaliland is very democratic country and 99% voted for its Independence (Somaliland referendum) that’s a history, if 1% or less are hanging around the town halls meetings and conferences with their lies- KHAA’IN STATE OF SOMALIA, AWDAL WAREEGTO STATE, and many non-existent so called states (they are all liars), Don’t listen to them please. It’s just waste of time.

    UK and many Europe are struggling financially and tax payer’s money doesn’t deserve to waste a group of political and academia warlords who 99% lives Diaspora like UK. Many of them are part of organized criminal groups like so called SSC. They are killing their own people and 90% the money they buy their weapons comes from UK and they are well related with Al-shabaab and other terrorist groups. The UK government must bring into the British justice those criminals and stop them sending money to buy weapons and kill an innocent people. Any one who is part of criminal an organized criminal groups or actively participating crimes against humanity or its own people must be stop them and please don’t allow them to come anywhere close to the conference because no matter how you justify or entertain them if you allow them to come this conference then 100% millions of Somalis will never trust British government involvement of South Somalia politics.

    I believe is a waste of money and time this conference if you want to talk about South Somalia politics, Please focus on one Item on your Agenda, something like Piracy and extremism because you can’t solve the southern Somali problem when those coming such a meeting doesn’t actually represent anyone but they make a lot of noises here and there.

    God Bless Somaliland and we wish you the best for this S Somali conference

  118. I am Somali I would like to add one useful comment, Somalis divide into clans so please be aware of that. Here in London there fast majority of organisations run by Hawiye people, yet they use the name of Somalia, therefore do not invite organisations unless you know who runs. You can hire people who knows those organisations, I am sure if you invite one clan this conference will fail and lose its aim and objectives.

  119. Jaamac Sool says:

    I am from Sool region and my people are fully behind this conference, we are part of Somalia not Somaliland therefore do not invite people who actually aren’t Sool people. Somalia should be united in the interest of the world, moreover Britain should unite Somalis, please do not divide or split Somalia.

  120. CEO says:

    This conference is only for Somalia People but not for Somalilanders, Somaliland is indepedent country and has there own goverment and i hope my country will not attend this conference.

  121. Guuleed says:

    I am fully behind this conference, but one thing you have to remember Matt, Somalis are a clan based community so be aware of that, try to invite every region using by any means or searching community leaders like Puntland Diaspora North-Somalia Diaspora Southern Diaspora and Sool Sanaag Region diaspora. I am sure yo have enough information for this issue. You can also visit websites and inform people to participate this conference. http://Www.puntlandpost.com
    Horseedmedia.com Radanreeb.com Hiiraan.com Boocame.com Puntlandi.com

  122. Hassan says:

    I am from Somaliland and I believe united Somalia is the best interst of the world, moreover we are a one nation and we have been seeking independence for the last decades nothing has changed so it’s time to reconcile and unite Somalis.

    • Ali says:

      Hi Hassan, why are still lying about the somaliland people position in the somali context.Somali is a alanguage but not an identity.You have to wake up.British is an british man but not english man,so somalia as USSR or Yougoslavia are dead.So please don’t post something that you ae not up to understand.Somaliland is the best place to live and to grow.The Somalia politicians are confused when it comes to the international identity or global politics.This area called Somalia is a failed state in the eyes of the International people,so you don’t have to open a dead end door.

    • SOMALILANDER says:

      dear Hassan why aren’t you said lie, i know you you are from Garowe so be careful somaliland people will not attend this confrence untill England invited as indepedent goverment.

      Awdal, Hargeysa, Togdheer sool, Sanaag people are somalilanders

      • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

        Awdal, Hargeysa, Togdheer sool, Sanaag people are ‘somalilanders’ who live in Somalia, the recognized sovereign nation for all Somalis in the Horn of Africa. ‘Republic of Somaliland’ is a fictional state.

        • NOA Hirsi says:

          which is more fictious, Somaliland which is not reconized but is peaceful, democratic and its government controls entire perimeters of its territory or the so called somalia which of it is recognised but it is only vitual state writen in paper and the fictious immagination of people like you. For haven sake, what is the point of having the so called recognition which is toothless. In reality, somalia is a colony of uganda, kenya and ethiopia, this are your overlords. My advice is start learning swahili and amhara it will help you in your future as it will make communication with your colonial masters run smoothly.

          • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

            Without the help of Ethiopia where would ‘Somaliland Republic’ be, don’t curse the hand that feeds you, most Somalis know where SNM originated from. Once the Somali Army is reconstituted the al-shaabab element will disappear in thin air and some of their leaders will return to Hargeisa, i believe.

  123. Yuusuf says:

    I am from Hargeysa and I believe united Somalia, therefore Uk government must unite Somalis in order to restore peace in the region. There are politicians who actually from Somaliland and believe united Somalia is the best, like former Somali foriegn ministers such us, Buubaa Ali Ahmed Jangali former Somali prime minister Dr Ali Khalif Galaydh.

  124. Elmi says:

    I am from North Somalia and I don’t believe Somaliand and the fast majority of North people believe that, especial people from Sool Sanaag Awdal regions. So please invite people are who believe in United Somalia. Thanks Matt

    • NOA Hirsi says:

      Did you count people who believe or not believe about somalia? and by telling matt what will it help you? Do you thing has any capabilities to influence events in favour of what have in mind

  125. Gamuure says:

    I am hopeful this conference will be productive, but as far as I am concern you will invite all Somalia inculding people from North South Puntland Ssc regions.

  126. I am from Somalia and i bleave Somaliland is not part of Somalia.

  127. Raage says:

    I am told this conference is for ever Somali, I am from Hargeysa Somaliland and I am willing to particapte in the interest of the greater Somalia. Matt thank you so much for making and facilitating this forum.

  128. MR KOOFIL says:

    SOMALILAND NOT SOMALIA .GOD SAVE THE QUEEN OF UK AND SOMALILAND. VIVA REP. OF SOMALILAND

  129. I am from Boroa city near Hargeysa North Somalia, this conference will bring Somalis togather, therefore I am requesting Matt to invite my president Ahmed Siilaanyo. For the last 20yrs we have been campaigning Independence but so far we are unwanted, therefor I beleieve it’s time to unite Somalis.

  130. Toby Kenyon says:

    Dear Matt Baugh ..we met at DfID in London in 2009 when I asked you about the Re-recognition of Somaliland where I was a lecturer at the University of Hargeisa 2006-2008 …….. Dr Kim Howell made a brief visit there : his talk to news reporters included the words …. ” without sovereignty Somaliland is doomed “.or words to that sense I have the newspaper report at home.. UK aid money will be reduced when Somaliland has international trade which is impossible without Re-recognition which we were told by your predecessor at Nairobi when he visited Mansoor at Hargeisa 2008 .. Sovereignty will bring international trade. When is Sovereignty coming , please ? Please reply to my e-mail as supplied Toby

  131. I believe united Somalia is the only way forward, I am from Somaliland but I don’t see any change therefore we have think positively and start reconcile our brothers in the south Somalia. Our Somaliland politics is based on clan system only Isaaq sub-clan believe Somaliland while the rest don’t inculding Gudubiirsi clan Dhulbhanante clan Warsangali Clan and Issa Clan.

  132. abdiasiis says:

    hi dear matt
    Somalia need to recognise the Somaliland and referendum of North Somalia or ( Somaliland British protectorate), and then solve the south problems.
    thanks.that’s wat we need we don’t need other hand i say viva somaliland 4eva i love somlailand .

  133. Prof.gaas says:

    Hi Matt Baugh, The purpose of the meeting must be cleared, first what we are looking for is solution of south Somalia or( Italian Colony) Not Somaliland or (Somaliland British Protectrate). Every one must have in mind this. The Socond British Govt must avoid to allow every so Called State/Land to particapate this meeting. Except. Puntland/Galmudug/TFG. and We are Somalilanders have an elected Govt/ Parliament/ House of Elders. so there is no way to go this meeting Matt..

  134. luqman says:

    I am from somaliland really i support somaliland government we have peace, democracy, education, health and somalia destroyed and only they know how to fight, so we don,t need to fight again we need to be two countries, when we take our freedom in british we done wrong and united other part of somalia so know we never make mistake again and never united somalia. i hope england will be the first government in the world which recognize somaliland

  135. Mariam says:

    I am from Boorama city North Somalia, my people are fully behind this conference we are part of Somalia. My people are under oppression against Somaliland regime so please free my people and support Awdal state.

    • Bashir Elabe says:

      Mariam,
      We, the grt people of Somaliland, are also supporting the conference bcoz it suppose to bring peace and security for our brothers and we dont have aby problem with that at all. What I coudnt agree with you is, the baseless claim of “Oppression”. Awdal is the luckiest region in Somaliland as they have never experienced any sort of oppression not even from the great dictator. We’ll go the conference together, figure out what to do regarding the problem of Somalia and if possible find an ideal solution. However, zero tolerance towards the independence issue of Somaliland.

      • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

        Awdalites weren’t targeted directly by Siad Barre’s because they didn’t rebel from the Somali state, they did sufferer from the ill advised Ogaden war and directly from the socialist military dictatorship like every other Somali.

  136. Mariam says:

    To Toby. Your dividing my people so please stay away we don’t want your succession and leave us alone I am from North Somalia and I am happy to be Somali so do not destroy our hope.

    • Bashir Elabe says:

      Young lady, what did u just said “Hope”, “Awdal state” and “Secession”. You need to grow up, there is no hope for a unity of Somalis, bcoz it never existed and will never happen, that was just part of a long failed dream and regarding the so-called awdal-state, the loud, deep and heavy voices of the people say ” you are a bunch of diaspora who never knew the fact on the ground”. Blv me, you dont even knw what oppression looks like and u never experienced one. And if u, as a Mariam, r willing to join our brothers in Somalia plz feel free to do so and in case if u r somewhere in Somaliland. I, for one, will make sure you reach Mogadisho save and sound. But you seriously need to understand one thing, Zero tolerance for any violence against our peace, stability and security even if it takes every single life.

      • Abdilaahi says:

        Elabe,

        If Mariam is in Awdal State she is in Somalia and will not have to go to Mogadishu but you on the other if you have happy with the Somaliland that is part of Federal Somalia will have to go Hargeisa and I will pay for the ticket.

        Abdilaahi

        • Bashir Elabe says:

          Ahahahahaha Abdillahi you made my day walaahi. Awdal is not Somaliland and will never be and I bet u r dreaming. I agree with you you can come Somaliland but not as a federal territory but rather as an Independent state and hence you are required to posses some sort of visa otherwise blv me behind the bars will be your ultimate home. And when it comes to the issue of Federalism, I dont know walaahi coz we never involved one and we are not willing if you may in case think so kkkkkkk. However, the people of Somaliland are enjoying with peace, security, stability and prosperity and unlike Somalia, the people rule not the government thats why if you visit for instance borama or buhodle you will be told to take a deep breathe and f*** urself kkk. Boy, the people decide, the people chose, the people the people the peole Maansha Allah kkkkkk. You need to focus your problems and stop running after Somaliland, 20+ yrs is enough I guess.

        • Bashir Elabe says:

          Bashir Elabe says:
          January 19, 2012 at 3:13 pm
          Ahahahahaha Abdillahi you made my day walaahi. Awdal is not part of the so-called Somali-italian and will never be and I bet u r dreaming. I agree with you you can come Somaliland but not as a federal territory but rather as an Independent state and hence you are required to posses some sort of visa otherwise blv me behind the bars will be your ultimate home. And when it comes to the issue of Federalism, I dont know walaahi coz we never involved one and we are not willing if you may in case think so kkkkkkk. However, the people of Somaliland are enjoying with peace, security, stability and prosperity and unlike Somalia, the people rule not the government thats why if you visit for instance borama or buhodle you will be told to take a deep breathe and f*** urself kkk. Boy, the people decide, the people chose, the people the people the peole Maansha Allah kkkkkk. You need to focus your problems and stop running after Somaliland, 20+ yrs is enough I guess.

          • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

            Awdal is a province in Somalia, so is Woogoyi Galbeed, stop peddling this fictitious ‘republic of Somaliland’….i’t getting embarrassing now, the world doesn’t revolve around Hargeisa.

  137. Prince Hassan says:

    Thanks you Ambassador Matt Baugh and the UK mission to Somalia.
    When I read most of these comments on this blogg it shows me that most of the Somali Diaspora is supporting peace, solution and unity of Somalia.
    It makes me happy when I see that all the Diaspora are involved in the somali issue, but it makes me sad at the same time when I see that diaspora is also disinvolved in the issue of peace building of Somalia.

    If one tries to put hats on the heads of 90 000 people in a stadium it might take one person to do that at least 6 months, but if each and one put the hat in his head it takes just 6 seconds.

    It is very good that we are all involved in the Somalia peace building conference or discussion, but let us do that together so that it takes less energy and becomes more effectives.

    If this to happen perhabs we will see a safe Somalia the first half of this year 2012.

    At last I hope that the UK mission will continue to carry on the wonderful job and give a chance to peace and democratic nation building of the Somali people.

    But my advise to the UK mission is please do not involve the peace building efforts anyone who want to support their personal and individualitic interest, put instead those who want to give up every thing for the sake of the nation and the people that country.

    Free, democratic and peaceful Somalia will give the world back a reward in a form of co operation and trouble free Seas and the region of east Africa.

  138. SomaliCAN says:

    Somalia at Crossroads: Foreign Intervention, Humanitarian Crisis and Aspirations for Statehood.

    January 27-28, 2012, 9:00AM-5:00PM

    The Ohio State University- Columbus, Ohio
    Hagerty Hall, 1775 College Rd

    This two-day conference will bring together some of the brightest minds in Somali affairs with the aim of deepening public discourse and understanding of the complex situation in Somalia and developing strong, pragmatic, and principled policy recommendations for, post-transition political development in Somalia. Issues discussed include the national roadmap, piracy, humanitarian crisis, frontline state military interventions, Diaspora remittance challenges and community development issues. Key presentations include:

    * Foreign Intervention, Humanitarian Crisis and the Quest for Political Stability in Somalia
    * U.S. Engagement in Somalia: Dual Track Policy Aims and Implications
    * Debunking the Roadmap: A Tool for Statehood or Death-knell for Disintegration?
    * Natural vs. Man-made: The Politics of Famine in the Horn
    * Post TFG Somalia: Political Parties and National Grassroots Movements as Clan Alternatives: Planting the Seeds for Sustainable Social and Political Institutions, and more.

    For additional details, contact: Mr. Jibril Mohamed (614)439-3034 or Jibril@SomaliCAN.org, Mr. Abukar Osman- Baalle (614) 769-8810 or Ms. Laura Joseph at OSU 614-292-8169.

  139. Toby Kenyon says:

    The Somalilanders in Somaliland voted on 26 June 2010 for separation from Mogadishu TFG the failed state …… That is the democratic overwhelming choice today ………. All the bloggers who favour Sovereignty for Somaliland know that progress for Somaliland is reduced until the Re-recognition of 26 June 1960 happens ; on that day The Colonial Secretary of UK , Rt Hon Ian MacLeod , handed authority to the President of The Republic of Somaliland . FIVE DAYS LATER on 1 July 1960 the temporary trial union started called The Somali Republic which was tested at the Referendum in 1961 . The vote for the ending of the trial union was the clear choice of Somalilanders BUT Somalians in the Somali Republic capital in Mogadishu reneged on the agreement ( which was made at the start in 1960 ) by wrongly claiming that as the greater population of the former Italian colony ( Somalia in Italian language ) was numerically larger so the wish of Somalilanders was illegally ignored .

  140. Isbella says:

    I am lecturer at Qatar University, I am sure Uk government must avoid the old politics whichs dividing Somalis North and South. I have met many Somalis Northerns and Southerns each one of them told me a different story, but they all agree united Somalia is the only way to find peace in Somalia.

    • Bashir Elabe says:

      Hold on a second. May I ask why cant we get an ideal solution for the problem then? or may be u need to go back to prof. ahmed ismail and ask him “Prof, Do we have a plan B coz Plan A does not seem to be working very good?. and FYI, there is no secession between Somaliland and Somalia, coz the so-called failed principle of unity was never existed and will never ever happen. How many times do u guys need to be told that, the people of Somaliland are now fully become state and you should concentrate solving your problems rather than running after Somaliland. They have made their own choice, they are demanding to be left alone to decide their own destiny. And by the way, do u mind asking one more question to your prof. ahmed ismail when you meet him, tell that the people of Somaliland are wiling to join a unity of Somalia only after you successfully unite the other four somali ethnics (Djibouti, East Ethiopia, NFD and somali-italian). So, it seems like you are your prof. have alot of things to do kkkkkkkkkkk and good lucky with that dear.

      • Mohamed Ase says:

        I am from Awdal region of somalia. I live in Borama city and completely aware of the situation in somaliland. Peace was made by the people not what you call somaliland. 95% of the population are supporting the unity of somalia and are against the secessionist idea. This idea is only held by the Isaaqs who believe to own somaliland as they always say, I drunk my pee for it
        (Kaadidaydaan u soo cabay). Those who say like this are those who killed thousands of people in Borama including my mom and my younger brother. How could some think Awdal cannot seccede from Somaliland when somaliland itself claims to have secceded from Somalia. Let me reiterate, Awdal region is part of somalia and will not accept what ever you call somaliland. Twenty years have elapsed and you still keep dreaming deeply. Whey would you wake up and feel the reality? Another 20 years?. We will not accept that and hope the unity of somalia to come soon. Our regional state (Awdal state) is committed to bring somali unity back. long live somalia.

        • Bashir Elabe says:

          ahahahaha 95% of the people support Somalia. No, you are wrong, 100% of the people support Somalia, they are our brother, they are suffering, they should get help not only support, how come then you said only 95% and you should have included yourself. However, to support our brother from the neighbor doesnt mean to go against Somaliland. I, myself support my brothers in Somaliland coz they need and deserve more that just a support. Meanwhile, I respect, protect and support the independence of Somaliland that’s in fact a constitutional right. We’ve said many times that the people and government of Somaliland have no problem to go conference for our desperate brothers in Somalia, dont u see we’r trying our best to find a solution for the 20+ yrs of difficulties but you should very clearly understand one thing; Zero tolerance towards the independence issue of Somaliland. God bless Somalia and God bless Somaliland.

        • Idil says:

          Mohamed Ase…

          Bless your heart my dear for stating the facts… it was great to see last week in the Somali media (www.AWDALSTATE.com) the president elected by the Awdal State of Somalia in Mogadishu having meetings with Dr Abdiweli the Prime Minister of Somalia and other Somali Parliament members… I support peace, unity and love all regions of Somalia.

          Being a Northerner to see any good progress in North Somalia brings great smile to my face… I hope the unity and peace sought by all regions of Northern Somalia (Awdal State, Somaliland, Khaatumo State and Puntland) continues to flourish and all peace loving Somalis support the upcoming conference offered by the British Government.
          ….

          Unity is the coolest word… and Peace is the way forward … lets keep them close to our chest.
          ….

          Thanks
          Idil

    • NOA Hirsi says:

      how can a united somalia help peace and un-united is causing unpeace, my dear lecturer i feel pity for you student. peacefulness is created by the people concerned, in somalia, it is the people down their have acquired a hobby of blood letting which has turn somalia into a slaughterhouse

  141. Toby Kenyon says:

    The independent judge on the referendum in 1961 stated that Somaliland should be free to separate from Mogadisahu at once But that was illegally prevented by Mogadishu

  142. amiin ahmed says:

    i am from afgooye in somalia i support to recognize somaliland as a goverment.
    all the world they know somaliland is not somalia.
    somaliland it is make united to somalia in 1960/7/.
    somaliland it was a british protectorate so why british goverment until now do not recognize somaliland a goverment?
    my opinion for solution to get somali goverment it must to recognize somaliland then we can find somali goverment but if we do not recognize somaliland we can not find somali goverment.
    all in all i am telling you true if the british goverment want to get a solution of somalia please give recognize somaliland.
    thanks all

  143. Isbella says:

    To Tobby. Who told you we voted for separation how dare you said that?? I am from Boorame AMA we never voted for seperation so do people
    from Sool Sanaag Awadel state. Please Toby do not fabricate stories and don’t fool the British people and it’s government.

    • Bashir Elabe says:

      Hold on a second. May I ask why cant we get an ideal solution for the problem then? or may be u need to go back to prof. ahmed ismail and ask him “Prof, Do we have a plan B coz Plan A does not seem to be working very good?. and FYI, there is no secession between Somaliland and Somalia, coz the so-called failed principle of unity was never existed and will never ever happen. How many times do u guys need to be told that, the people of Somaliland are now fully become state and you should concentrate solving your problems rather than running after Somaliland. They have made their own choice, they are demanding to be left alone to decide their own destiny. And by the way, do u mind asking one more question to your prof. ahmed ismail when you meet him, tell him that the people of Somaliland are wiling to join a unity of Somalia only after you successfully unite the other four somali ethnics (Djibouti, East Ethiopia, NFD and somali-italian). So, it seems like you and your prof. have alot of things to do kkkkkkkkkkk and good lucky with that dear.

    • Rashiid Moh says:

      I do believe that Somaliland is not concerned for this Somali conference that will be held in London for the next month. Somaliland has reached the right way of getting recognition, its not a time to negotiate for the other rest of Somalila, after 22 years of struggle to build its institutions of peace, governance and a peaceful nation. its the time the international community take a lawful steps to recognize Somaliland.

      My point of view is, if UK government is working the stability of Somalia, why it does recognise Somaliland..because Somaliland has done all required efforts to reach a succesfull nation. You can see there, that there is a special interests the world community is interfering the Somali interests, UK is number one.
      viva Somaliland….Somaliland…Somaliland..for ever…for ever

    • Cade Khalif says:

      I do say, If the British Government is seeking peace and stability among the inhabitants of this hostile region of Horn of Africa, with no hesitation it should recognize this nation of Somaliland as it did in 1960. Then Somaliland will be the key to unlock all the non functioning powers in the area. Frankly speaking i dont know why British Government is comparing between the selfish, clanistic and racist so-called states that are appearing nowadays with the long lasted country of somaliland.
      Lastly, I would like to inform for the inhuman and anti-social elements those are denying the true and nature stability in somaliland not to forget that the British Government was the one whom recognized Somaliland in 26 June 1960, and again it is my sincere hope that it will be the one whom will take the lead of recognition of somaliland before the rest of the International community announce its recognition.

  144. Abdi says:

    Dear Matt,

    In Somalia, there are many different regions; each region has its own problems. As your mention on your blog, indeed Somaliland and Puntland needs more economic support instead of peace building projects. Please do not waste your time and money from the British people spending on international NGOs who are highly mismanagement and not accountable to the British people. I believe when UK government provides direct financial support to these regions. The money will be used effectively by these regions for example to build the infrastructure, hospitals and education. In return for financial support should British government demand of these regions better governance, democracy and fight against corruption and piracy. The upcoming conference in London is good opportunity to take a different decision than that decision has been taking over the last twenty years.

    Conclusion.
    1)UK- should have a Somali Oversees Office Representative in Garowe and Hargaisa.
    2)Start bilateral relationship with Somaliland and Puntland
    3)Direct economic and financial support to these regions.

  145. Isbella says:

    To Toby. Stop lobbying succession if your honest go and support Northern Irerland and Scotlands mission to seek indpenedence. People from North Somalia will always be part of Somalia. Prof Ahmed Ismail
    samatar and other northern academics believe that.

  146. Mohamed Sheikh says:

    To late

    Nothing will solve this conference, but it is only another foreign interference to somalia. ex, Kenya, Ethiopia. and UN. Somali only needs to solve their problem it self.

    Thank u

  147. Rashid says:

    I am sorry to say this but this conference once again it will fail just like others conferenes failed in the past and the reason is very simple. Somali problem can only be sloved by Somali people sitting under Somali tree inside Somalia. The outsiders who their interest is not the well being of Somalis but for the their own political interest can not slave Somali issue. The UK main purpose for this conference is defeating piracy and Alshabab and not to solve Somali issue . Only Somalis can slove their problem. Good example is Somaliland.

  148. I am Somali Born in Hargaisa Somalia not SNM’s Somali-land of today. I am not fully behind this conference for a lot of reasons, and iam not happy to see it happen, but it’s good thing to hear and to know what the #1 enemy of all Somalis have to say.
    Here is why i oppose! the root cause of all Somali’s problem created by British, “that is the fact” Northeastern, and Juba-land to Kenya, Ogaden to Ethiopia, and now whatever SNM’s ill advising is humble, and keen to do so, that is why i completely oppose whatever UK’s government brings to the table. This conference is stink, and shall not been attended; the good Somalis vigilante should not attend, but completely rebuke, oppose this conference, and the war after…
    Another reason why i oppose, and not to trust English people is the history of their background, they fund only and only distractions of Somali people. But they don’t know the world is changing fast that is why UK is yesterdays history not today’s modern history. look if they are or wants to be the friends of of all Somali people they should came with the friends of all Somali people with United States of America, Canada, Italy, France, Australia, and Belgium came in 1991 in the operation restore HOPE! when the civil war started in Somalia that is the fact that is why Uk are not trusted today, but i look forward to hear what all Somalis #1has to say.
    The matter they named are not trust worthy “Piracy is threat for UK’s interest” but didn’t look under the resilience of Somali people for more than 20 yrs without a functioning government, the drought, and tribalism no country on earth have stomach to see a Somali child dying starvation, and disease in southern Somalia while supporting ill advising divisions in Muslim world particularly in Somalia. please stay away Somalia you created piracy the world knows, but not young Somal’s who were stunned by the Chinese- Taiwanese, and as well European trawlers-steeling, and sometimes coming ashore ” that is the fact” from Rass ‘assayer to Rass-ganboni.

  149. Rashid says:

    am sorry to say this but this conference once again it will fail just like others conferenes failed in the past and the reason is very simple. Somali problem can only be sloved by Somali people sitting under Somali tree inside Somalia. The outsiders who their interest is not the well being of Somalis but for the their own political interest can not slove Somali issue. The UK main purpose for this conference is defeating piracy and Alshabab and not to solve Somali issue . Only Somalis can slove their problem. Good example is Somaliland.

    • Idil says:

      Dear Rashid
      North Somalia consists of (Awdal State, Somaliland, Khaatumo State and Puntland) …so I agree with you that the international community needs to recognise and support the tranquillity of all sub-regions. Being Northerner myself (Hargeisa).. the issues in Somaliland are close to my heart and I regard it as an important aspect that needs to be considered for the peace plans of the country as whole.

      Especially in the current climate where there is tribal conflicts (only yesterday the new Awdal State president which main sub-clans of the Samaron tribe have elected has visited Mogadishu to meet with the TFG Prime Minster Dr Abdiweli to gain the support of the TFG and report the tribal-linked mistreatments subjected to some sub-clans of the Samaron/ Gadabursi people in Awdal State and to strengthen the declaration of independence from the Somaliland Clan (Isaq)). Also in Lasanod there is still tribal issues (the Dhulbahante sub-clans in the town continue to complain to the international community for the unfair tribal-linked imprisonments and cruel treatments.. especially the targeting of the youth, boys, men and women in Lasanod based on their clan-root is a concern that needs to be addressed) .. In addition just last Sunday the Somaliland Clan (Isaq) has waved attacks on the civilians of the town of Buhodle by conducting barbaric wild shelling, burning homes and killing of civilians. All this under the watchful eye of the international community – the Cayn region (Khaatumo State)/ Buhodle remains on high alert due to anticipated ongoing tribal conflicts between Somaliland Clan (Isaq) and the Khaatumo State people (Dhulbahante) as I write here today. – Hence why this upcoming meeting is very important and of interest to all peace loving people in Northern Somalia.

      These unprovoked attacks and complaints from Northern Somalia is disturbing to both people living in North Somalia and those in the Diaspora who originate from the region. Also the relations of Northern Somalia sub-regions whether it is Puntland, Khaatumo, Awdal or Somaliland needs to be strengthened to ensure all clans of the region can live together peacefully … this is not just of interest to indigenous Northerners like me but also to the TFG, Great Britain and all our neighbouring countries (Ethiopia, Djibouti and Kenya).

      Hence, why we all need to support the British Prime Minister’s request for all regions to come to the table for peace talks… only through dialogue can consensus be reached and differences be resolved.

      Somalia is being abused by trivial quarrels, unnecessary hate, never ending grudge, terrorist thinking, uneducated tribal leaders who have no vision beyond their tribe, diseased individuals who are obsessed and blinded by clan flags and clan allegiance, refusal to see the common good, and of course the hopeless who never sees no light at the end of any tunnel, who chooses to remain ignorant in the face of enlightenment, who chooses to act deaf to the call of peace.

      Please let us all be the ones who put an end to this madness; let us be the change we all need to see. Let us avoid falling into the trap of another 20 years of tribe and alshabaab news… lets support the efforts of the British Government on this important agenda.

      This is a call to all peace loving Somali people from all regions.

      Somalia Somali Baa Leh (Somalia belongs to all the Somali people).

      Thanks

      • Rashid says:

        Dear Idil,

        Somaliland is a country with multi tribal people so for u trying to divide them do not make sense what so ever. I suggest u stick with the truth and realize that Somaliland existed before Somalia. Only when Somalia accept the truth and allow people of Somaliland to decide their faith can be possible to talk with Somalia but as long as they are in denial about the true history of Somaliland then I am affarid the gap will exist between Somaliand and Somalia.

        Every president of Somaliland in the past or current one made a stetment regarding Somalia and they are willing to sit down and talk as long as they stop fighting each other and make peace. Somaliland and Somalia can live together in peace since we share culture ,and religion just like Arab countires do.

        • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

          Apart from the Isaaqs, i believe the all other clans of northern Somalia [Dhulbahante,Warsangeli and Gadabursi] don’t want the break up of Somalia. Most want a federal system with regional parliaments.

          • NOA Hirsi says:

            Did you ask the opinion of each and every person in Somaliland or you are assuming, no one is interested in you assumptions.

          • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

            The people of Buuhoodle have spoken loud and clear only to be shelled for three days from 25 miles with multiple rocket launchers.

  150. Abdi Ismail says:

    Hi Mat

    I would like to thank the Brithish government to try to host a conference for the failed governments of what called Somalia; The internationaly community and also Britain must consider Somaliland Republc who was separate state before unification with south somalia 1960; Somaliland is democratic nation and they have been having stability fully functioning government last two decades; Somaliland will never rejoin southern Somalia again and we shall fight our rights to have our own government untill last drop of our blood if the international community not consider our rights. Mr matt you and government government know the history of Somaliland people but we want to remind u the facts. thank u

  151. Hamza says:

    This Tobby is successionist and eager to split Somalia but he won’t achieve that Inshallah. I am sure the majority of the Brtish people will respect the sovereignty of Somalia. Tobby please do not involve the old polictics and leave us alone.

  152. abdul says:

    I am from boorama city which is one of the somaliland cities. The former president of somalilnd Mr Riyaale who ruled the country for seven years is from boorama and he is still the leader of the Udub party. After the Udub party lost the election, few people from the boorama or Owdal region can not except the lost and they trying to create problems calling themself awdal state. Those people caling themself Awdal state elected themselves in order to get positions in tfg. I support somalilnd and I am proud to be somlilnder. If you recognize somalilnd is the best solution, becouse these two nations is hard to share a government together.

  153. Mohamud Haji Elmi of London says:

    Dear Matt
    I am welcoming the idea to review the actual situation in Somalia
    The main essence of UK conference in my opinion is to know more information about Somalia’s political structure, by consulting those who are already on the political arena. Meanwhile since the announcement of this conference we have seen on going attempts to establish a number of self autonomous mini states, you name it. That is the mentality which has been flourishing for the last twenty years.
    With the exception of the newly created technocrat, the Somali politics is leaded by unqualified personnel whom have a mere idea about the new world order, or doesn’t understand how to cement a good international relation to the rest of world
    On the other hand when something happens against the existence of your people such as repeated droughts, floods, polluted air quality, the great politicians make unscheduled meeting to tackle the threatening situation. That didn’t happen in Somalia, the parliament never made a session to talk about the drought, this is an index that can show you their poor quality. In fact Somalia has human resources that can cover its urgent needs, if they get the chance to be heard, but their presence inside the country will be the key factor and more influential, rather than debating on TV.s to solve their differences

  154. beeldajie says:

    salaam to every somali on this healthy discussion, the thing is the somali crisis is a somali problem.and either can mr matt baugh or the imperialist britain come up with a solution..WHICH gives me the conclusion that after 22 yrs of misery and suffering of the somali masses both south and north, the u.k
    pops up with this idea that they will bring peace and posperity via a confrence in london…i see a hidden agenda on this my fellow somalis..new colonial era…typical britain overseas political tool…that history proves right..divide and rule tactics..(somaliland, puntland,azania,khatumo, and etc) all built on sub-clan structure…
    so walaayal unless we realise this the somali crisis would still remain, so lets all come together change the country and something about the conditions, what happend to the dignified somali voice and pride..history will judge us on the choices and inclinations that we make today…

  155. ali says:

    Hi Matt Baugh

    I would like to congratulate you and your government the efforts and care you giving the rebuilding of the failed state of Somalia.

    However, as a somalilander I do believe it’s absolutely wrong to include or invite Africa’s best kept secret (Somaliland) in to the London peace conference.

    In my opinion it’s not rational thinking to undermine 20 years of peace building, 20 years of developing democratic institutions, 20 years of respecting neighboring countries (Ethiopia and Djabouti), 20 years of fight terrorism and Piracy, in Somaliland.

    Finally I hope your government will respect the faith and integrity of the peace loving Somaliland citizens.

    Thank you.
    Ali.

    • adurahman goodir says:

      hi dear sits iwant thank you you and briiish gov iam sure also will be understand what they want somaliland iam i also remain you somalind is you your freind abdurahman goodir birmingham uk

    • adurahman goodir says:

      i think britian is kmow somaliland was freindship britian till second wold war thanks matt and tell my regading queen elisepeth and all british people thanks matt

  156. Allan Zamaronavich says:

    Since when the plight and suffer of Somalis become an issue for the British government and the fact that its a Tory led is even more surprising. One thing that always saddened me about my fellow Somalis is that they lack the intellectual analysis or comprehension to realise and recognize those half measured and empty promises the West always has to over.

    What’s more saddening is the fact that you are all here almost begging and wishing to be heard by a guy who is probably not that much older than any of us, who is a man just like us who in all likely, will never read or consider what to you have to say. We all know that the situation in Somalia will have to get much worse before it gets any better. We are all well aware that it can only be solved if and when Somalis decide that they want to take the matters into their own hands.
    I honestly believe that even if a conference was held for Somalis in the Middle of the holy hajj, the blessing cities of Medina and Mecca, Somalis would not and could not agree on terms that would be pleasing to all Somalis let alone in stinking London, that’s just the sad fact

    • NOA Hirsi says:

      Men, you hit the neil right on the head, well said man. For the first time I heard a somali person who had present a viable truth and intellegent one. Somalia need someone like you truthful and honest.
      After having said that, this matt guy, who is a junior diplomat at FCO and the government he represent cannot and will not find a lasting solution for somalia. In this conference, they may cook a half baked solution for prestige and granstanding which after some few days we will be back to square one talking about another conference venue hosted by another inept leader.

  157. Rashid says:

    Somaliland took independent in 1960 before Somalia and there were 34 countries voted at the UN for the support for Somaliland during that time so Somailand existed before Somalia and that is fact.

    After 30 yrs of abuse by Somalia after unification with out agreement with Somalia , Somaliland had enough and decided to claim their independece once again through sacrfice and there is no way Somaliland will ever unite with Somalia.

    Somaliland since 1991 had four presidents and democratic system with many parties today. Somaliland is the key bring peace to Somalia but first the world must reconise Somaliland.

  158. MOOGE says:

    I WANNA TELL MATT THAT TO FIND SOMALILAND HISTORY
    FROM 1885 TO 1960

  159. saeed says:

    dear matt
    somalia observed 30 years of unity and the result became zero and not ready to return back to the hell and no one on the earth that will compell somaliand to change it is mind and reunify with there brithers in south somalia,so I hope the UK goverment will give consderation the decision of somaliland.

  160. Toby Kenyon says:

    When The Republic of Somaliland ,…….. the independent , peaceful , democratic nation since 18 May 1991 , is Re-recognized in UN as she was on 26 June 1960 , ……..then Somaliland will once again be a Sovereign independent nation . Somaliland has shown the whole of Africa ( and the world ) the best example of people progressing together sensibly ……… That good state of affairs may be copied by TFG in Mogadishu ….. and Somaliland will continue to advance well by being separate from TFG Mogadishu ( the failed sad state Somalia ) ……… Somalilanders understand how to live in peace allowing people to vote freely as on 26 June 2010 ……….. This blog expresses many different ideas which shows good Somaliland freedom of speech , which was also accepted in a very dignified manner at The Election of the new Presfident . The Conference on 23 February in London will only have maximum success if Somaliland is taking part as an equal Sovereign Nation like the other nations taking part . Thank you Matt Baugh

  161. abdilahi hasan says:

    all thnk,s for GOD second dear great uk you know the history of somaliland deeply 26 june 1960 somaliland get their freedom and we join in somalia thn we they lose our hope in 1991 when the somali government clopsed we rebuild our hope and tht is somaliland now its more thn 20 yrs democratic country we elect our govern ment their is no need to join again so we dont need to join again the rest of somalia and we reject the meeting tht u caling our government we can join if alowed in our flag and our voice tht we are not prty of somalia

  162. Khalif Y. Ahmed says:

    The opportunity to support a more inclusive and representative political process when the Transitional Period ends in August 2012;

    – The opportunity to help people return to Mogadishu and rebuild their lives in that city;

    – The opportunity to take further action against Al Shabaab and piracy;

    – The opportunity to reinforce the relative stability in areas of Somalia, such as Somaliland and Puntland and in the south.

    Khalif Y. Ahmed, Burnsville, MN USA

    I am a Somali American and a chairperson of the Somali Union- Wadajirka Somaaliyed. We have witnessed over 15 ” Somali reconciliation” meetings in foreign capitals in the past 20 years. They all have failed for various reasons but the uppermost was lack of proper preparation for the contentious issues at hand and the absence of the Somali ownership of the meeting. Likewise, this meeting in London is not different from the previous meetings for there was no serious inclusive preparation by Somalis in collaboration with the British host. This meeting will end with the same fate, failure, but the British interest for curbing the alleged piracy and the Al-shabab components will be rubber stamped. The consequence will be the implementation of the ongoing Somalia Balkanization project , the US State Department low level officials pet project “dual track”(1) . This project is to produce like minced meat mini states of Somalia that will counter the mindless Al-Shabab. Kenya and Ethiopia are the benefactors. The Somali People suffering will persist. The self-appointed British experts in Chathamhouse are publishing nonsensical, fictions counterpart dual track “research papers” promoting to fund another equivalent “dual track” approach of the coastal areas of Putland , Somaliland and Galmudug “states” to fight the piracy (2). No one cares the consequence of such policies for Somalia in the long run. The British Prime Minister will take the high ground on the world stage at the end of this meeting to the effect that we did everything to find a solution for Somalia but we failed.

    Our position is a request to delay this hurriedly arranged meeting in London. Let us have a time line for an inclusive preparatory meeting behind the scenes and set a final meeting in London.

    1) USAID under the Somalia Dual Track Policy @usaid.gov

    2) http://www.chathamhouse.org/publications/papers/view/181277

  163. Toby Kenyon says:

    Dear Matt Baugh , thank you for this blog . Somali people of the diaspora need to stop the comfortable life away from their Somali home if they are going to give blog advice on what Somalilanders in Somaliland should do or should change . Somalilanders in Somaliland receive excellent and practical help from the diaspora of Somaliland by improving hospitals and schools with their generous donations . Somalilanders are capable of managing life in Somaliland very well indeed for all to see . Advice to Somalis is best given in country , as was done for 21 years by Somalilanders in Somaliland ……..advancing happily in their separation from Mogadishu TFG failed unhappy land .

  164. the majority of people here agreed and supported Somaliland as independent nation which pervails peace and security and deserve a defacto of recognition, well I am from Mogadishu the capital of Somalia and I am from one of the larget tripes of Somalia Hawiye the clan of President sheikh sharif and I am absolutely welcoming the recognition of Somaliland which will be a vital solution for the Somali people

    Somaliland made tremendous development from every angle and you cannot compare with us today it will be catesterophic for the international community to talk about the unity of between Somalia and Somaliland today, we somalians behind billion miles from Somaliland and our problems need a real solutions where somalilander are more developed many countries in the region, my advice to Matt is to address in the conference how Britain and the leading international community members will re-recognise Somaliland, they are a people who commited and decided their destiny and we have to respect that as the English people are respecting the independence of scotland

  165. BIIXI says:

    HELLO MATT BAUGH I,M BIIXI A SOMALILANDERS
    IF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY WANT THE GREATE SOMALIA DJIBOUTI/NFD/KENTA OGADENIA/ETHIOPIA/SOMALIA AND SOMALILAND
    THE 5 SOMALI SPEAKING TO BECOME ONE COUNTRY
    AS SOMALILANDERS WE READY FOR THAT
    BUT IF THE INTARNATIONAL COMMUNITY WANT ONLY SOMALILAND AND SOMALIA TO BECOME ONE COUNTRY HELLO NO AND DONT WASTE YOUR TIMES
    EVERY BODY KNOWS THAT SOMALILAND AND SOMALIA ARE 2 DIFFERNT COUNTRIES

  166. Hallo you know the people iam to talking to tomorow i will bring Somalia Flag the flag Blue i will put on “beerta xoriyada” in mid day who is with me? otherwise please stop our isaq’s, fail ideology and give a chance to other people to speak oh my god disgusting that is why Samaroon, and Dhulbahante are runing away from as today look Somaliland Somaliland We are Somali that is reality land is somalia our language is Somali our clor is Somali. please do not post any more topic about Somaliland British protectorate British Government is hosting this conference, abd British knows more their history than we do because they write “document facts” they know Soamalia is a tribal country ” that is the fact” we isaaq’s intilectual in Hargaisa were helping all Somalis enemy Ethiopia’s interest that is the fact. let Brirish government do their duities they know everything, and what the hek this webside belongs southern Somalia let them speak……………….dam…………………………….and shut the hell up………..

    • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

      well said, comrade…these ‘Somalilanders’ with their fictitious ‘republic’ have hijack the thread. Hargeisa needs Mogadishu as much as Mogadishu needs Hargeisa. Tanzania with its 120 tribes and languages have managed maintain a peaceful country, why are we Somalis peddling 18 century clan ideology when we are in a post-modern world ? Somalis are one ethnics group, shame that it’s many sub-clans rivalry are tearing down any peaceful co-existence.

      • NOA Hirsi says:

        Tanzania with its 120 different tribes manage to maintain peaceful co-existence because its first dictator J.K. Nyerere did not favour one tribe over another. Of which, somalia’s dictator siad barre was tribalist, his policies of favouring his darrod tribe put somalia into morass. But Nyerer was not an angel, even though he was not like barre a tribalist but he was a religionist he favoured his co-religionist the christian most, and now in Tanzania, any a civil war can erupt between the muslim majority and marginalized and the christians minority but who are political overlords.

        • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

          I’m not here to defend the late dictator and his military socialist regime, i’m just bemused with your clan [Somaliland] solution to our current predicament. We have three major clans in Somalia Isaaq, Darood and Hawiye and the country is divided into 3 [Somaliland,Puntland and South Somalia] accordingly. Do you know how pathetic we look to the rest of the world.

          P.s I know which flag you’re flying, you have been loud and clear!!

  167. MUSTAFA ALKAF says:

    Dear Matt Baugh,

    First of all, I would like to congratulate my felow country men and women
    for overwhelmingly defending their country against be being affiliated with
    Somalia and saying loudly with one voice that they are not part of Somalia and
    will never be part of it.Secondly,we somalilanders are isulted by this:
    -The opportunity to reinforce the relative stability in areas of Somalia,
    such as Somaliland and Puntaland……….which is coming from a responsible person in a democratic country such as Great Britain.How on
    earth can you call us “areas in Somalia”? If that is where you want to start
    things from,then don’t bother yourself,it is a failure before it started.

    • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

      Sorry Mustafa, not everybody shares your Hargeisa consensus. Certainly not in Borama, Las canood, Buuhodle and Taleex, all towns/cities in ‘Somaliland’.

  168. Nasir Ismail says:

    This conference should be similar to London peace conference of 27 May 1991, that was held for coalition winners of the Ethiopian civil war. In order to have a lasting peace in this region Somalia should be divided to Somaliland and Somalia period.

    • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

      It didn’t bring peace to the regions, Eritrea and Ethiopia 10 yrs ago had Africa’s most advanced war. Both countries support rebels from the other side and are technically at war. With Ethiopia using the ‘war on terror’ as an excuse to isolate the government of Asmara. Ethiopia has used the united nation in order to have Eritrea giving Economic sanctions and succeeded.

      Today the Gov of Ethiopia has accused Asmara of the death of tourist killed in Eastern Ethiopia. Like Kenya, will Ethiopia invade in order to save it’s tourist industry ? We will wait and see.

      http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Africa/2012/0119/Attack-on-foreign-tourists-widens-rift-between-Ethiopia-Eritrea

  169. mahamood says:

    It a postive step that the UK government is looking to help the situation of Somalia and Somaliland. As you state this has been on-going for long enough, with the international community lingering in a haze of apathy.

    While this has been happening Somliland and its people have shown the way for fair elections and stabilty and peace, with very modest foreign assistance. An honest assessment and the right of independence and recognition of the success of Somaliland should also be part of this conference and how best to support Somaliland in it’s rightful path.

  170. Tahir Hussein says:

    Hi everyone.

    I would like to say, that british goverment should know there is not what we can say somali goverment except two clans basing in muqdisho’s southeren somalia, as you know somalia were two regional states before 1960, but when they got independt were as wrongly united.

    But that united was misleading from southerns were made tribel revenge from notherne of supports british goverment war against , the ‘mad mulla” which was begin around 1915 in somaliand british protectorate and they used somali dectator of mohamed siyad bare.
    Becouse of that somaliand regain its independt from 1991 in 18 may, and made good steps for developments as its peace and social programs, its clear southeren is not claimed somali republic of,
    therefore we can say “TFG” is two tribe only as you see how its established, prime minster and president as they only subclan ‘ ‘hawiye and darod’. can they say we are somali represents all parts?, i think it is false claim to told the interanational community.

    We hope that first the goverment of greate britain not give as recognise as they represent for somalia becouse of somalia from 1991 up to now is breaking away and is two states . somaliland and somali southeren, first as regard you have to know as real in somali people and we hope you to recognise somaliland.

    thanks you.

  171. Khadra says:

    Hello Matt Baugh.

    As a Somalilander, my view on my country is that of peace and tranquillity. It is important to have a recognition as a country. Personally, I believe that waiting for over a lengthy period of 20 years to gain recognition is ridiculous. As a country, we are independent. We have a democracy that is working and the parliament, house of commons and a overall government that is functioning well with itself and the citizens of Somaliland. We just need the recognition.We cannot discuss with those who cannot change themselves. Change comes from within. That is why Somaliland has distanced itself from Somalia and that is why we can see a great amount of developed change within our community.

  172. ibrahim says:

    why on earth all these ill formed comments are made . if u think that this conference will bring somalis mind together and will unite then let it happen
    i will be optimistic what ever the past is . young somalian have fled and gone and they are filled in the jails of almost every country in the world searching for new life and stability while our home land while our homeland became “terrorist tourism ” land . so am suggesting , if intended UK can make difference and that will mean a lot to us. please listen to young educated somalis because those are the healthy mind of somalis and am sure if united they can contribute much to the country .

  173. first I talk about Somaliland peaple views in this isue

    Somaliland have one nation one peaple
    I want tell you history about somaliland
    we do not accept if any body talks in our Somaliland took independent in 1960 before Somalia and there were 34 countries voted at the UN for the support for Somaliland during that time so Somailand existed before Somalia and that is fact.
    After 30 yrs of abuse by Somalia after unification with out agreement with Somalia , Somaliland had enough and decided to claim their independece once again through sacrfice and there is no way Somaliland will ever unite with Somalia.
    Somaliland since 1991 had four presidents and democratic system with many parties today. Somaliland is the key bring peace to Somalia but first the world must reconise Somaliland.

    • Abdirisaq ali says:

      Hi Matt

      As you read all these comments you will understand what are the problems in Somalia. Every tribe is trying to control Somalia and to abuse other tribes. I hope GB can be the country that bring Somalia together but not the country that divided. I want to make clear that so call somaliland or snm are killing poor poeple near sool, sanaag and cayn (khaatumo state) and no one has said anything include UN, USA, AU and UK, we know UK support somaliland but we are not sure if they support to kill poor people. The tribal that live souther somaliland had recent meeting in taleeh and created Khatuumo state. UK need to support Khaatumo State and invite to the meeting.

  174. Samaroon says:

    Dear Matt thank you:
    first of all, a lot of people who are comenting here does not know the history of Somali—Lanad we samroons were the people who nogatiated that the British government to leave peacefully that is the fact of the history Somaliland of today is not 1960th today is 2012 janauary. the civil war is starting here in between hargaisa and Borama that is the fact. As you aware Daarood Clan is between the four administrations Starting from Ogaden in Ethiopia, NFD in Northeastern Kenya, Puntland we all know is the only active State in Somalia is daarood adminstration that is the fact some people may not like it. Juba–land or Azania State is daarood.
    we samaroon clan would like have share with our adminstration to darrood wether in ethiopia or Puntland or newly Khaatuma State or darwish state. why? because the ideology of one tribe adminstration can already bring to genocide to other tribes, and the tribal people itself are more civilized than others, that is the fact iam not daarood but boy they are the best in Soamlia, i wish i should’t spoke to this topic in here but overcome ill minded, and ill thoughts towards all Somalis in cluding Hawiye tribe that the knows what done in the begining of civil war in somalia, the bottomline is this we want UK government to understand and to read the rich history of Somalia.
    that all concludes my thought; you are a diplomat you can understand the richness of what it means Somali and land only where it come from who nogatiated with the british whom fought with the british, justice will preveil……..By Samaroon

  175. Ahmed says:

    To people from lawless Somalia (formerly south Somalia)
    Please stop wasting your time and energy because Somaliland is here to stay. One other thing; Stop using multiple names as ur IP address will be checked.

    • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

      This thread is full of ‘Somalilanders’ sounding like a broken record, can we please have some depth to your arguments? Somalis are dying but all i here is Hargeisa is ‘peaceful’ it should be recognized as a ‘republic’. This shows how selfish you lot are, full opportunism and taking advantage of the suffering of your brothers and sisters in order to peddle your little clan project. Your indifference is astonishing.

  176. Mahad cabdi Gelle says:

    The forum has been hijacked by few Isaaq people arging for Somaliland. They are, I am sure, posting the same messages in different names. Shame on YOU.

    Somalia is ONE country and can never never be divided.

    There is no Somaliland. It is ridiculous to even think about division given that Somalis are one ethnic people, one religion, one culture, one language. It defies logic to divide such nation. I hope the British government will realize that.

  177. mukhtar says:

    dear Mett lets us know first if the fact is not being denied do u (Britain) need to get solution to Somalia or you need to destruct the already managed solved problems like somaliland (the new democratic country) because i see the way you are ignoring the fruitful and peaceful process that somaliland has acheived, my recommendation is that you need to sustain the already peaceful built countries like somaliland

  178. Amina says:

    Hello Matt,

    I just want to thank you as well as the British Government for taking the initiative to help Somalia in finding a solution to our 20 year conflict.

    I know it is no simple process but we need to come to the table and put aside our obsession with tribal idiologies and think of ourselves as Somalis first. We need to put the interest of our nation above greed and power.

    As a young Somali woman and the member of the diaspora, I want to see a future where Somalis have a government that is transparent, accoutable and inclusive. We are severely in lack of strong national leadership and we need to choose leaders based on merit instead of tribal affiliations and those who will unite our people.

    I wish peace, prosperty and unity for all Somalis.

    Thats my short take.

  179. Ali says:

    Somaliland is indeniable Country.So please tell to trhe world that the choice of the people of Somaliland should respected.We have two choice either to go to hell with al shabab or stay democratic and respect of rule of law.

    • Abshir says:

      The choice of the people? Four major provinces of so called Somaliland refused to be part of somaliland. Awdal state refused to be part of Somaliland, Warsangeli, Dhulbahante, Fiqi Shini, Kaskii Qabe and Gabooye all refused to be part of Somaliland. Their major towns including Lasanod are under curfew and millitary occupation while other towns are under millitary attack. 15 January it was Buhoodle that was attacked. Choice of the people is that they refused to be part of Somaliland and they clearly and loudly said “OUR CHOICE IS WE WANT TO BE PART OF SOMALIA AND NEVER SOMALILAND.” January 2012 Khaatumo state was established by the tribes of Sool, Sanaag, and Cayn. among them were the Chiefs of all clans, politicians, academics, civilians. Somaliland is a tribal fiefdom that commit human right abuse and constantly bloodshed. I hope those tribal chiefs, politicians, academics of Awdal, Sool, Sanaag, and Cayn will attend the upcoming conference and tell the world the true story.

      • Samofare Samafale says:

        I would like to tell the ignorant tribalists that there is no room for tribalism
        in the Republic of Somaliland. It is the hope of democracy in Africa. It was
        this country who tried to unite all Somalis under one flag and that mission
        has failed. Let the Somalos in the South make their own flag and put aside the Union Flag meant for all Somalis. So we leave the burden of union seek for the coming generations. It may start at Djibouti or elsewhere, but I am deadly sure the fever for union will not start at Somaliland again. REMEMBER, Recognising Somaliland is the key of solving the Somali Problem. But the question is who wants it solved?
        Wake up, idiots!

        • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

          The ‘republic of Somaliland’ is clan project, it’s easy to have election when the majority are from a single clan. In my book it’s called clanocracy.

  180. Ali Geeleh says:

    Dear Matt
    I am sure you have weaned some useful information and insights from these comments. Basically, they boil down to two opposing views: On one side, you have the secessionists hailing from the one clan, who are behind the secession and who identify with this so-called Somaliland. These secessionists and their foreign supporters never miss an opportunity to repeat some well-worn and fabricated fibs: that Somaliland was recognised on independence by 34 countries (lie and Matt should confirm this); that their borders are still valid and recognised by the AU (rubbish); that the Act of Union was never ratified (lie); that the northerners rejected the constitution in the referendum (lie- only one clan among the 5 clans in former British Somaliland did so); that all the clans endorsed the declaration of secession in the Burco conference of May 1991 ( lie. It was meant to be a reconciliation conference but the delegates from the non-Isaaq areas were forced to sigh it under duress. In any case, they repudiated it on their return to their homes in the SSC regions); and so the list of lies goes on that have become of the secessionist folk lore.

    The rest of the respondents are the unionists from the rest of Somalia, north and south. They stand by Somalia’s unity. Clearly, recognising one clan is not even in their own interest. Somalis are one homogenous people and mostly nomads wondering across clan traditional territories. Hence, they are no fixed clan boundaries. And if an independent Isaaqland ( for that is what Somaliland is all about) emerges and tries to use the defunct colonial borders as its own, borders that do not conform to its traditional clan borders, that could trigger endless clan wars.

    Britain has historically done unforgettable and even unforgivable injustices to the Somali people. It carved up their land and then dished them out to others as if it was distributing manna from heaven : Ogden was given to Abyssinia and the former NFD to Kenya even after it organised a referendum as to whether the Somalis in this region wanted union with Somalia or remain part of Kenya and over 90 percent chose union with Somalia. To atone for this painful past, Britain should use this conference to persuade the Isaaq clan that there is only one choice for them and that is to reconcile themselves with the rest of Somalia. It should also assist Somalia in organising a national conference for the formation of a truly transitional national government that would prepare the country for a general election with the help of the UN and EU, with Britain and Italy, the former colonial powers playing the leading role.

    • Mohamed says:

      So low are the Somalis!
      Do you not know that Matt and Britain know more about Somalia than you all do? And you chase this wall!

  181. Abdullah says:

    due to my language barrier i can’t write or say in english all that i wanted to say, so are lot of somalis who would like to say some thing about this confrence.

    But all i can say is that britsh people and its government had halped us a lot and we hope that you’ll help us in stablising our country and rebilding it.

    as a somali citizen i would like to assure you that you have full support of many somali people.

    go ahead and allah bless you.
    thank you

  182. Jim'ale says:

    Hi Everyone,

    There is no doubt that this London Conference on Somali could be the end of Somali mayhem if those participants whether international community or Somalis recognise that this time is different and they have grab this chance and restore our pride. Somali conflicts and acute famine have claimed many Somali lives for the last two decades which should not have happened on our watch. We are tired and sick of the continuation and endlessness bloodshed of our Somali brothers and sisters. The stake could not be higher at this stage. We need to recover our dignity and respect in the world which has perished for a long time. Everyone should have in mind that this time is different and we need to put out difference behind us and build Somali nation which accommodates for all of us. As we are one nation and one society, British government should find a solution of our problems that has persisted for too long. We appreciate the UK government’s initiative which seeks lasting solution for Somalia

  183. first of all i wanna thanks ALLAH to be a Muslim and than Somali after that i wanna remmber you i mean international community to understand what’s going on in Somalia and than say how can we solv the problem men they do not get but the truth is UK is the first problem in Somalia becouse they say we wanna suppert Somaliland how can we be united do not talk Somalia please let them do them selv what ever they want.
    i wanna say Somaliland can´t be a country bercouse one clan can´t be a contury so i hope Somalia will peace in 2012 and will be united.
    Somali will rise up as soon as posiple.
    if ALAAH say.

  184. Jim'ale says:

    Hi Everyone,

    There is no doubt that this London Conference on Somali could be the end of Somali mayhem if those participants whether international community or Somalis recognise that this time is different and they have to grab this chance and restore our pride. Somali conflicts and acute famine have claimed many Somali lives for the last two decades which should not have been happening on our watch. We are tired and sick of the continuation and endlessness bloodshed of our Somali brothers and sisters. The stake could not be higher at this stage. We need to recover our dignity and respect in the world which has perished for a long time. Everyone should have in mind that this time is different and we need to put out difference behind us and build Somali nation which accommodates for all of us. As we are one nation and one society, British government should find a solution of our problems that has persisted for too long. We appreciate the UK government’s initiative which seeks lasting solution for Somalia

  185. Leila says:

    Facts Speak Louder Than Words.
    Somaliland is a staple, democratic loving nation with well known International Borders love it or hate it. My advice to the the people of Somalia is this: Please put your house in order and stop killing each like dogs. You shamed us all (east Africa) with your Piracy, Hunger, Human trafficking, Al-shabaab, when is it going to all End? God may help you!

    http://somalilandpress.com/
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuoRYG0kpf4&feature=related

  186. MOHAMMED HAIBE SOMALILANDER LIV IN NORWAY says:

    dear matt.
    idont think somaliland will go back to somalia becouse we were to difrent counteres in 1960,Somaliland since 1991 had four presidents and democratic system with many parties today. Somaliland is the key bring peace to Somalia but first the world must reconise Somaliland.

    Reply

  187. MOHAMMED HAIBE SOMALILANDER LIV IN NORWAY says:

    matt
    come to visit somaliland and i will give you tea with camell milk.
    viva somaliland

  188. mohamed says:

    Dear Math, remember Somaliland and Somalia are different countries, Somaliland will not be part of that conference

  189. Yusuf says:

    The Somali crisis will never end, the mayhem will be there the conflict will remain there and the London conference wont heal the wounds of somalia, my advice to you is Somaliland has nothing to do with this, there is a legitimate government, a long lasting stability, it is a separate entity, country with there own flag, army currency and law and order so why fix if it aint broke?

    If you want to find a solution for the somalia’s problems stick with where the problem is cos Somaliland has nothing to do with this and it doesn’t have a wounds to heal.

  190. Anwar says:

    Many Thanks Mr Matt and the Uk Government, I am from North Somalia (KHATOMO STATE OF SOMALIA) where most of the population if not all strongly believe greater Somali, we are greatly supporting LONDON CONVERANCE to find a solution for greater Somalia including Somaliland, Puntland, Awdal State of Somalia, Khatomo State of Somalia and South Somalia. Currently North Somali is in war, conflict that could development rapidly to a situation that is as bad as south Somali unless there is intervention by the International Community.
    We hope that we contribute to elucidate the harsh reality on the ground in North Somali and we recommend that all state in North Somali including Awdal state of Somalia, Khatomo State of Somalia, Puntland be called to the conference as equal applicant. Thanks

  191. rashiid says:

    there is dream about unity of somalia and wat the world call somalia i have not seen a country somalia by name in my advice to uk prime minster i tald u to for get unity of somali becouae its incridble to unite these two counrties

  192. beeldajie says:

    This is really sad and embarassing to see SOMALIS advocating SOMALI ISSUES to a minor british civil servant or whoever he is…lets get liberated and solve our problems the somali way..its high time we realise this only the true selfless somali can realise this..lets all unite against from neo colonialism against this imperialist from ras asyr to ras kamboni…and stop this discusting, shallow, and short sighted local politics and see the greater somali

  193. Somali youth says:

    We need to know somalia can not be devided any more so that the north of somalia Somaliland or isaq tripe should recognize that they are somalians they have to stop the occupation and killing to their neighbors Sool Sanaag Cayn, and to respect the newly regional governments Khaatumo State and Awdal State From other neighbor trips Dhulbahane Darod, Warsangeli Darod, 65% Somaliland population and Samaron Said Or Gadabursi, 10% Somaliland Population.

    Thanks to UK 4 hosting this fruitful reconciliation 4 somals

  194. Keenadeed says:

    Good day, Mr. Matt Bough

    Your Excellency Mr. Ambassador,

    Again, as a complement, the British Government and its people are leaders in the civilized world. In the colonial days, they might have done a lot of good and mistakes. However, in this modern day and age, everyone and Somalis in particular are anticipating a positive and fruitful contributions from Britain and its government led by the Prime Minister, honorable David Cameroon. Somalis had suffered beyond imagination and what they look forward from this conference is a perfect solution that ends their predicament..Britain is capable of doing that. But Somalis need to understand that they own the problem and should come up with the solution and use facility and opportunity provided by Great Britain.

    Especially, the Isaaq clan should wake up and heed the reality and the Hobson’s Choice they face (as Osman Hassan, foreign Affairs Commission of Khaatumo Satate of Somalia, put it in an earlier article – Somali Unity, because no one single clan can become a country with 2 -3 barren towns. The world is becoming smaller and smaller with bigger and rich countries forming unions such as, the EU.

    Mr. Ambassador, we would like to present a glimpse of the Khaatumo Garad Conference where the Dhulbahante and other clans have held a very successful traditional meeting in the historic town of Taleex, in which they passed historic decisions and formed the unionist “Khaatumo State of Somalia’. All Somalis in both the north and southof Somalia with the exception of hardline secessionist Isaaqs have all congratulated the conference and its outcome. Even a lot of unionist Isaaqs have sent their best wishes to the conference, honorable Ismail Mohamud Buuba (seasoned politician and previous Somali Foreign Minister is one example)

    The successful Taleex Conference is now being dubbed the real Road Map for Somalia’s reconciliation). The participants in that conference have sorted their differences in practical, realistic, honest, good intentions, and civilized manners that helped the conference to arrive at the desired conclusion – it was a perfect model for a reconciliation process. More importantly, the conference was held, guided, and handled in a perfect Somali traditional manner – under a tree, the Bardaha Khaatumo of Taleex (Barde is the mane of a big tree, as you could see from the youtube link provided here below – it shows the participants under that tree). Currently many Somalis are discussing to replicate the Khaatumo conference for all Somalis and hold it in the same venue – Bardaha Khaatumo of Taleex.

    We could suggest that the Britain Government hold the conference under a tree because it will stimulate the Somali mind and the participants will understand they are negotiating and are required to come to a binding agreement. If the weather does not permit that in London in the month of February, Britain could bring it to Bardaha Khaatumo where Britain and the Somali participants will be received warmly, and surely will be concluded with an imaginable success.

    Thank you,

    Please click on this link to see the Khaatumo Conference

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1hprij3334

  195. Abdirisaaq says:

    Dear Matt,

    I hope the UK stops supporting the secessionist state that calls its self Somaliland. That is right now attacking the people who it call theirs in Buhoodle just because it does not want to belong to Somaliland and does not want to secede from Somalia not now not ever.

    The UK government should stop supporting Somaliland as long as it is killing innocent people in Sool, Sanaag and Ayn. It is not a democracy but a tribal theocracy. Even this week twenty journalist were arrested.

    Thank you.

    Regards,

    Abdirisaaq

    • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

      Sorry for correcting you, ‘Somaliland’ is not a tribal theocracy, its a clan clanocracy. [ single clan democracy]

  196. Abdilaahi says:

    Good Morning Mr Baugh

    Thanks for the opportunity to express our opinion, hope and wish for the Somalia conference in London.

    As you can see on the comments above Somalis all over the country and across the globe are very keen to find a solution to our beloved country. Among them are individuals that are known to me like A.Jowhar.
    However it seems to me some people have misunderstood what you were asking for, so I would like to confirm and clarify what you were asking for

    I am sure the UK government would not adopt a foreign policy from comments on a website.
    So if I am not wrong you would like to know if we agree with what you hope to be the result of this conference, namely the below three points.

    “ – The opportunity to support a more inclusive and representative political process when the Transitional Period ends in August 2012;
    – The opportunity to help people return to Mogadishu and rebuild their lives in that city;-
    – The opportunity to take further action against Al Shabaab and piracy;
    – The opportunity to reinforce the relative stability in areas of Somalia, such as Somaliland and Puntland and in the south. ”

    Here I would say it is a good plan that no one would argue against, but the implementation is going to be frustrating to say the least. I think the representation should be passed on state or administration, because the current 4.5 is not true representation of demography in Somalia.

    In order for Somalia out of these nightmare we need competent and passionate leaders not people selected passed on their tribe or the number of arms they have, I know that is not possible for the time being but it should be the aim, or the next best thing is to select competent people from each state or administration.
    There should be a time limit on how long they can stay in office and there should be separation of power.

    The second two points of relocation of people who fled their cities and “Al- Shabaab” or Al-Shaydaan that goes without saying and you would have the support of Majority of Somalis.

    The final point is the peace in the stable regions of Puntland,(Somaliland, Khaatumo State and Awdal State), yes the peace and stability in these regions are as a result of the people who leave on this regions and they should be helped by disarming all the militias so the citizens who brought the peace can keep the peace and decide their future. There should be united nation/African union peace keepers in these regions to replace the militias that have the guns.

    Kind Regards and Thanks

  197. Mu Ali says:

    Dear Matt,

    In response to your citation “The opportunity to reinforce the relative stability in areas of Somalia, such as Somaliland and Puntland and in the south”

    I am very sorry Matt but we have been building Somaliland for more than 20 years. We have started from ZERO. Now we have got everything we were wishing.

    There is no interest for Somaliland to be in that conference at all. Somaliland was and is totally different country than Somalia. We had united which was a terrible mistake of our fathers but we are successfully recover from that horrible time of the union of Somalia.

    We will not let anybody take that away from us. If UK give some aid to Somaliland that doesn’t mean that we have compromise our independence.

    No, we will not compromise our freedom and independence. I hope that UK forget their hope that Somaliland might change their mind. We will not change our mind even if we haven’t get recognition for next 2 million years.

    That is exactly what every Somalilander believes and I hope that the intentional community understand the position of Somaliland.

    Thanks for your understand
    Mu Ali

  198. dhulbahante says:

    dear i come from buuhodle and i love somaliland my people there are wrong because somaliland they help our people a lot but my people they are so wrong i love somalilan and i dont want to rejoin somalia because somalia distaroy our futher so my self im not happy to go back black history for 21 years mohamed siyad bare leding somalia siyad bare ragim killed my dad and somalia troop riped my sister and kill my brother not only me but a lot of isaaq people because they targeted of isaaq people so when i remanbered that history i m realy craying thats why i dont want see any more somalia
    i m happy somaliland thank you

  199. Keenadeed says:

    Sorry, few corrections for my earlier post, as follows:

    Please read:

    Garad Conference as “Grand Conference”

    Barde is the mane of a big tree as”barde is the name of a big tree”

    ….and surely will be concluded with an imaginable success, as “…and surely will be concluded with an unimaginable success…”

    Take Care

  200. Sam Dualeh says:

    Somaliland is already autonomous and a functioning state. International recognition will only stengthen the moral, determination, economic and social development of the poeple. In the long run, however, unrecognised Somaliland can bring disaster for the whole region. This is because, people of Somaliland had fought a brutal dictator for 10 years untill they had to bring the regime down. They will not accept any union with Southern Somalia in any form or shape. Southern Somalia, as we speak, is even sinking more into lawlessness as the term of the govenment and the pairlaimant comes so close and no transition or compromise is in place.

    While the West advocate ‘democracy’ and the rule of law and invest in acheiving that with billions of pounds both militarily and devlopmental aide, Somaliland is offering and succeeded to show such value in a region marred by conflict and chaos and hunger for power.

    Britain, as the former colonial power has a lot to do with the grave mistake that people of Somaliland had to do in joining Somalia in the 1960. Whereas it was right for the UK government to grant independence to Somaliland 1960, they did very little to prepare the country both in terms of economic and sociopolitical developent, while Southern Somalia had 10 years of trusteeship under the Italians with a UN mandate. It is time to correct that mistake and the UK to be the first country to recognise Somaliland.

  201. The north off somaila diveded three parts which are called Sool Sanaag and Cayn are Khatimo state off somalia.
    Sabilay Awdal and Salal are called Awdal state of somalia.
    hargaysa and Burco are called Somaliland
    there for all are somalia
    I am saport Somali unated

  202. Leila says:

    Facts Speak Louder Than Words.
    Somaliland is a staple, democratic loving nation with well known International Boundaries love it or hate it. My advice to the the people of Somalia is this: Please put your house in order and stop killing each other. You shamed us all (east Africa) with your Piracy, Hunger, Human trafficking, Al-shabaab, when is it going to all End? God may help you!

    http://somalilandpress.com/
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuoRYG0kpf4&feature=related

  203. M.SAID says:

    Great ! I am supporting this Proposal of Reconciliation of Somalian people where ever they are including the North west region(Hargeisa) of Somalia,which is self proclaimed as Somaliland.Thank you.

  204. xp _ _ says:

    i think somalia is one country somaliland work with like clans state
    in somaliland and unfair to others clan in somaliland i do not think they
    have an indenpendent state in this way all provinces must itself be the boss we would like to present a glimpse of the Khaatumo state and awdalstate somaliland is an clans states Somaliland should respected Please stop wasting your time somaliland never come

  205. Ali Hussein says:

    Its very nice that Britain is taking this initiative but the role must be very clear the agenda of the UK.As for the entities that are being named here is not something that exist on the ground these are fictional created in mainly the diaspor. When the US state department concluded their foreign policy towards the horn of Africa they made it clear that that they would support clan states in the horn of Africa who oppose the Alshabaab Militants in the south of the country.How ever Somaliland is a genuine democracy a state in waiting for international recognition more than 20 years now it has shown good governance democracy and viable institutions the dissolved former somali republic practically happened 20 years ago and its still is in tact when the people of Somaliland declared it self independent from the south based on the Colonial border prior 1960.Its legal case for separation is than not secession but merely just the union that was dissolved. Somaliland is willing to work with its neighbors Ethiopia Djibouti and even Somalia its neighbor but problems comes most of the time from Somalia but The Uk needs to mediate between Somaliland and Somalia for a long term solution of full separation.

  206. Mohamed Kahin says:

    Dear Matt

    The agenda is very simple. Let’s find peace for Somalia because it is the interest of both Somaliland and Great Britain. If Italy decided to abandon Somalia, that does not mean Britain should abandon its Somaliland friends. Remember we fought so many wars together, whether be the war on extremism and not the one today but in 1930s against the Mad Mullah and his extremist followers. The war against Italy and Japan (Burma).

    Britain is important friend to Somaliland and like wise Somaliland is an important security ally for Britain like the Prime Minister said himself.

    Today we are facing the same enemies again, while Italy and Japan have given up their extremist and racial views—the Mad Mullah followers and fanaticism is on the rise again. The so called Khaatumo or whatever is just the same ideology as the Mad Mullah by the grandson of the Mad Mullah.

    Somaliland and Britain put them away before and today they have to do the same. In 1930s, in their eyes you were simply and infidel and today nothing has changed, they just hiding their true agenda. Lets keep them in their caves.

    Somaliland is already engaged in a war against them because this region cant host al shabab and mad Mullahs.

    Thank you Britain for allowing Somaliland to have its own voice heard, your a true friend.

  207. IVAN KAPLINSKY says:

    Dear Matt,

    I’m a russian man who knows a lot about the somali people.i believe
    what is true can be seen.britain must take the lead on the somali
    issues.let us see if the un can take the first step which i as i have
    been rearching on somalia and somaliland.i would advised that britain
    should not waste money on this somali issue.recognise your colony
    russia will follow and friends of russia will do the same.

    • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

      Ivan, following your logic i believe Britain should recognise Chechen republic or Dagestan republic which Russian annexed 150 years ago. Just because Mengistu was a communist and got help from Soviet Union in the Ogaden war does mean Russia today should bring back it’s cold war policies in the year 2012.

      • NOA Hirsi says:

        Twisted logic again? Mario, chechnia and dagestan are Russian control but Somaliland is not controled by somali, as a matter of fact somalia is not in control of itseslf.

        • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

          I don’t dispute you do control the triangle regions of Hargeisa , Burco and Berbera. Al Shaabab controls Kismayu, i don’t believe the world will be recognizing their theocracy soon or ever. Clan solution wont work in Somalia, it will all end in tears.

  208. dalton says:

    please ask help for your Somali assistance to translate this: i would like to write my own language (Somali language).

    salam kadib waxaan halkan ooga mahad celinayaa xukuumada uk iyo pm kooda, mahad kadib waxaan doonayaa inaan ka hadlo shirka ka dhici doono london ee somalida looqabanaya.
    waxaana u arkaa in shirkaas loo qabta dhamaan maamul goboleedyada somalia ka jira sida: dawlada kmg somalia: maamulka khaatumo state of somalia ee ka aramiyo sool .sanaag . cayn, puntland, awdalsate. somaliland. galmudug etc
    waxaan u sheegayaa dawlada uk inaysan somalia kala go’i karin oo ay mid tahay maamulkii la oran jiray somaliland wuxuu hada ku koobmay qabiilka isaaqa kaliya wuxuuna beesha camalka ku beerlawaxsada ainuu yahay maamul aqoonsi don ah, waxayna xukumaan kaliya , hargaysa, burco, iyo berbara,
    marka aqoonsi aan sal iyo raad laheen bay doonayaan waana qabiil midaas waxaa daliil u ah
    madaxweyha, labada gole, wasirada , taliaysha ciidanka, wax walba oo jaga muhiim ah waxaa haya beesha isaaq , marmaamulkaas wuxuu la mid yahay , kuwa beelaha ay leeyihin ee , khaatumo state of somalia, iyo awdal sate of somalia camal, marka , dhulkii uk goomaysan jirtay, qabiil, qabiil baa loodaganyahay cidna cid uma dawladeen karto,
    .

  209. Mohamed Kahin says:

    Some southern Somalis are complaining that this forum is fully Somaliland of course what you expect this is a British forum or British government website. Why dont you lot go to the Italian foreign minister website.

    Somaliland and Britain share historical ties and the problem is not Somaliland but Somalia. You have adopted the corrupted culture of the Italian mafia and Britain is now giving you the venue to settle your difference but its already clear your showing your animosity towards Somaliland rather than discussing the burning spot (Somalia).

    Britain should just ignore Somalia and leave it to the Italians.

    They (Somalis of Somalia) want to eat us, see their anger in this forum. We are just stating we can never share a state with them, if the world is unifying, we would rather unify with Ethiopia than Mogadishu. No thanks to piracy, extremism, famine, suicide bombing…

    If you don’t like the Somaliland-Britain forum, go to Italy. You failed like Italy. Culture of corruption, mafia and nepotism.

  210. kalahari says:

    Somaliland is democratic and inclusive.Therefore Somaliland is not need to participate Conference on Somalia the British gov. must know about that.. Somaliland is peaceful place. The issue of the borders is a non-starter, since Somaliland is claiming sovereignty of the area within its 1960 border, when the nation emerged from a British protectorate status. Somaliland has no claim on any other territory in the region.

    Secondly, in a stark contrast to many other countries the world (including Africa, Ivory Coast for example), Somaliland has held several free and fair elections, presidential, parliamentary, local government, etc, and even more remarkably in the recent presidential both the defeated incumbent, Mr. Dahir Rayale and the winning candidate Mr. Ahmed Silanyo worked together to ensure a peaceful and orderly transition of power.

    Somaliland is a de-facto state awaiting de-jure recognition, and has a stronger case than Southern Sudan, Kosovo, East Timor, etc. Somaliland was an independent sovereign country in 1960, recognized by no less than 34 nations including, the USA, UK, France, Egypt, etc. After a failed union with Somalia, Somaliland restored its sovereignty on the 18th of May, 1991, a decision supported by the population and affirmed by a national referendum in 2002.

  211. Somaliland Girl says:

    Dear Matt,
    May I take this great opportunity to thank you and thank the British government for asking the relevant public to submit and participate in providing constrictive feedback, comments and ideas regarding this upcoming conference.

    As a very proud somalilander I would like to campaign and emphasise for the recognition of Somaliland. I’m sure as you and our Prime Minster have witnessed the successes of Somaliland in the last 20 years. I’m very sure you are aware of the successful milestones Somaliland has taken and how that has been supported by its own community, the world and the of course led by its excellent government.

    This collaborative working lead a to a secure, well established democracy where every single member of this proud community have had a role in civil society which resulted in a peaceful country that is functioning effectively and can be taken as a great example .
    Certainly I and the Somaliland community believe that the Somalia can benefit from the following this great example to hopefully overcome its obstacles.

    Somaliland has shown to the world a great process of democracy and there is no greater example such as the election example that took place where the whole world was a witness of this great achievement.

    This great achievement was not only to Somalialnd but its contributed to the whole of Africa. Somaliland has shown the effectiveness of its government by working very closely nationally and internationally and by working closely with the world leading countries to address terrorism and to piracy in the area.

    We have a been working very hard as a Diaspora community with the national and the international community to address improvement and to address the needs of our community. And not to forget to mention the successfully achievement we had nationally and in the Uk as a Somaliland community

    I can continue to write about the most effective reasons and evidence to make Somaliland a recognized country but I’m confident and I’m aware of your knowledge about this matter,

    Could I Please kidney request you and the British government to respond to this great country and community of Somaliland and be the leading country of the recognizing the republic of Somaliland ….

    Thank you and thanks to the British government

  212. Somaliland Girl says:

    Dear Matt,
    May I take this great opportunity to thank you and thank the British government for asking the relevant public to submit and participate in providing constrictive feedback, comments and ideas regarding this upcoming conference.
    As a very proud somalilander I would like to campaign and emphasise for the recognition of Somaliland. I’m sure as you and our Prime Minster have witnessed the successes of Somaliland in the last 20 years. I’m very sure you are aware of the successful milestones Somaliland has taken and how that has been supported by its own community, the world and the of course led by its excellent government.
    This collaborative working lead a to a secure, well established democracy where every single member of this proud community have had a role in civil society which resulted in a peaceful country that is functioning effectively and can be taken as a great example .
    Certainly I and the Somaliland community believe that the Somalia can benefit from the following this great example to hopefully overcome its obstacles.
    Somaliland has shown to the world a great process of democracy and there is no greater example such as the election example that took place where the whole world was a witness of this great achievement.
    This great achievement was not only to Somalialnd but its contributed to the whole of Africa. Somaliland has shown the effectiveness of its government by working very closely nationally and internationally and by working closely with the world leading countries to address terrorism and to piracy in the area.
    .
    We have a been working very hard as a Diaspora community with the national and the international community to address improvement and to address the needs of our community. And not to forget to mention the successfully achievement we had nationally and in the Uk as a Somaliland community

    I can continue to write about the most effective reasons and evidence to make Somaliland a recognized country but I’m confident and I’m aware of your knowledge about this matter,
    Could I Please kidney request you and the British government to respond to this great country and community of Somaliland and be the leading country of the recognizing the republic of Somaliland …. Thank you and thanks to the British government

  213. Thank you Matt Bough for the opportunity of involving many Somalis and Somalilanders to address the peace and security in the Horn of Africa and ex-Somalia. This blog looks fine but sadly it has totally alienated many Somalilanders as the blog is only designed for Somalians hence the title of the conference and the blog. I’m afraid the failed state of Somalia cannot be resuscitated and there is no point in trying to put humpty dumpty together again.

    So many issues have been talked about on this blog but a golden opportunity has been missed simply because the title of the conference is misleading hence creating a lot of political confusion. No one in their right mind would like to prolong the suffering of the Somalians in ExSomalia but the reality of the situation is that foreign intervention is not going to bring any lasting solution to the chaos in exSomalia be it terrorism, famine or piracy.

    So far the International community has been spoon-feeding and dealing with Mogadisho’s incompetent, corrupt leaders and warlords. The root of the problem must be sorted out if any hope of peace is to see the light of the day. Mogadisho has become the Medusa of East Africa and whoever tries to help her will be stricken with deadly challenges. The solution has been missed long time ago when the problems were lesser manageable and terrorism was non-existent. Sadly the Genie is out of the box now and we need realistic solutions to create a safer world.

    What is the solution and where do we go from here?

    My advice for this conference would be to look at the bigger picture in the Horn and East of Africa and address different areas with different approaches and solutions. That way there will be quicker and faster solutions for regional areas. For example famine has affected many areas inhabited by Somalis who are mainly nomads including Ethiopia and Kenya where there are also large refugees. Equally Somaliland has a golden opportunity to contribute to this important conference in the areas of security, terrorism, piracy, development, health, education and so on.

    My other advice would be to concentrate on how to eliminate terrorism from the Horn and ExSomalia so that Somalis and Somalilanders can live in peace with each other. The conference should stay away from any political agenda as you can see how this debate is going not to mention how the same users are sending multiple comments under different names.

    One of the greatest outcome of the debate on this blog and the conference in general should be for the international community to realise the reality in the ground of the Horn of Africa and to find a lasting solution for the suffering of the Somali people and ignoring Somaliland issue is not the solution either. Somaliland should neither be alienated nor seen as a threat to bring lasting solution to the stability of the Horn of Africa but they should become as a beacon of hope for change before the final agenda of the conference is put forward.

    The majority of the Somali people from Mogadisho and the south are desperate to find peace and are not against the sovereignty of Somaliland in general but sadly those who are filling this blog are not genuine Somalis from Somalia but few individuals who are SSC( terrorist groups ) who are telling the world that Somaliland is divided into 20mini states and are trying to brain wash the British government and the public with their repetitive stories with no solution whatsoever.

    My final advice is don’t be misguided by the dream of the creation of Greater Somalia that has created two wars with Ethiopia and Kenya, the destruction of Somaliland, global terrorism from Somalia and piracy which are all product of the quest for the creation of this fictional dream for Greater Somalia since 1960. Since then Djibouti has been independent and decided to stay away from Somalia, the 5th region of Somali region in Ethiopia will stay with Ethiopia and NFD of Northern Kenya would stay with Kenya. Equally Somaliland would stay a it is as a sovereign state and Somalians we hope would see the reality and rebuild their nation from scratch just like Somalilanders. We hope the horror of the creation of Greater Somalia will never come back to haunt the Horn of Africa again and Somalis would learn to live peacefully side by side like any other people in the world.

  214. Mario says:

    Somalia was the the unification of British Somaliland and Italia Somaliland, so when we mention Somalia we are talking of it’s North and South territories.

    In 1991, in Buroa, Torgdheer’s regional capital, after the collapse of the central government all Northern Somalia clans [ Isaaqs, Gadarbusi Warsangelis and Dhulbahantes] committed themselves to peaceful co-existence. The agreement included that none of the clans would create their militias and warlords to prevent the spread of clan militants, warmongers, and violence that crippled the region back then. Power and resource sharing were also part of the agreement.

    Unfortunate the in the last decade a secessionist movement has hijacked that agreement and is using it as a declaration of independence. while regional governance was a worthy call, calling this entity a sovereign state is absurd. Also using the abuses of Siad Barre’s dictatorship as reason for breaking away is not good enough given his military dictatorship abused all Somalis with the exception of maybe his clan [Marehan].

    To all people of Hargeisa, what i would like to say to you is… don’t confuse Somaliweyn [Greater Somalia] with Somali Unity. Because our border with Ethiopia is provisional, let our government [Somalia] end the dispute peacefully…..Siad Barre’s military regime only knew the language of violence given it’s nature but i believe a democratic Somalia representing all it’s people will deal with it’s neighbour in a civilized manner.

    A viable Somalia, representing all it’s clans and regions is possible if all stakeholders took the interest of all Somalis at heart and stopped biding for their particular clan.

    I call to UK government to help Somalia create a more democratic state by helping them to build 18 provisional/regional parliaments from the 18 regions of Somalia while the same time each of this regions sending their federal parliamentarian to federal capital Mogadishu which will be the a city belonging to all somalis.

    This system will help regions like Hiiraan wich has all has all major tribes [ Hawiye,Rahanweyn, Darood] who are at the moment having a power struggle. A regional Parliament will solve this problem as no single clan in Hiiraan can call the shot because of lack of majority.

    Regional parliaments will also bring a shared power in Mudug region between the Hawiye and the Darood. who have the ridiculous position of being represented by to Presidents in Galkayo. [President Mohamed Faroole in the north and Galmudug President Mohamed Ahmed Aliin in South of Galkayo]

    I hope we end up with an elected presidential system with ministers coming from the parliament with real powers. A federal Parliament , regional parliaments with some powers , elected chief ministers/ governors of regions. An independent judicial system both local and federal, local police forces backed by federal police and military forces.

    To all ‘somalilanders’, feel pity for your fellow somalis and stop this propaganda war against your fellow nationals, most somalis today bear no responsibilities for the action of a socialist military dictatorship of Siad Barre, for if you got your way…what would stop the ‘puntlanders’ breaking away with all the oil or the ‘Jubbalanders’ breaking away with all the agriculture land?

    A nation is a good as the sum of it’s people, if we pulled together we can make Somalia work, running away wont make your problems go away !!

  215. Mohammed Musse says:

    Dear Mr. Matt Baugh

    Thank you very much for your information with regard to the conference in London which is to commence from the 23rd February 2012. I would like to use this opportunity to highlight few issues here.

    First of all, I believe it is high time that something has to be done by the international community about the tragic situation in Somalia and I welcome the British Prime Minister’s initiative to instigate this conference and to seek international attention for the Somalia situation which as we all know has led to unbearable and ongoing human suffering in that country for the past twenty years. The lawlessness in that country for the past twenty years has also undoubtedly led to the rise of terrorist threats from Somalia to its neighboring countries and to the wider world including Britain which is a home to an increasing Somali community. It has also contributed to the piracy in the Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean which as we are all aware, has indeed affected the world sea trade routes. The list of concerns goes on and I am sure that you are fully aware of all these issues.

    What I however would like to strongly stress is that the problem in Somalia is complex and multi-faceted. Read the responses here and it gives you clear picture of the deep rooted mistrust and divisions within the Somali people. If you talk to them, they all seem reasonable, rationale and actually wise but their problems are very difficult to unravel, even for me as a Somali person. So be prepared that there is no quick fix or solution here to expect. I may sound pessimistic here but one needs to be more realistic, particularly when dealing with a country that has had no functioning institutions over two decades and its people that have had experienced a lot of adversities.

    Secondly, the British government should treat the Somaliland case separately and sensitively and ensure that there is no space for individuals and groups that are trying to create war and mayhem in a peaceful region that has promoted the principles of democracy and human rights for the past twenty years in contrary to Somalia. The Somaliland people have invested a lot energy and effort all by themselves to achieve this and this needs to be respected by the international community. Somaliland was born out of the will of its 3.5 Million inhabitants. Peaceful and internationally recognised Somaliland is their ultimate destiny, nothing else matters.

    Finally, I have no doubt in my mind that all sensible Somalis in Somalia itself and around the world are grateful for the British government for taking this encouraging step to try to find a lasting solution for the problems of Somalia in partnership and in consultation with the Somalis and Somali political leaders. Let us hope this conference become fruitful and a positive platform for the Somali political groups to re-engage and reconcile with each other in order to regain the respect and dignity that Somali people have been lacking for the past twenty years

    Thank You

    Mohammed Aw-Yuusuf, Birmingham.

  216. Abshir says:

    After the civil war Somalia has been carved into tribal fiefdoms controlled by tribal warlords. Some rebel leaders and tribal warlords have decided to carve Northern Somalia into their clan fiefdom, the so called Somaliland, a self proclaimed seceded country. Northen Somalia consists of many tribes, Isaaq, Samaroon, Dhulbahante, Warsangeli, Fiqi Shini, Kaskii Qabe, Gabooye and many other minority tribes. The Isaaq tribe forced all other tribes in Northern Somalia to be part of the fiefdom they carved from Somalia. Four major provinces, Awdal, Sool, Sanaag and Cayn all refused to be part of Isaaq tribal fiefdom. As a result these tribes are contantly under millitary occupation, cufews and attacks. January 2012 the tribes of Sool Sanaag and Cayn provinces held a conference in Taleex town, which was attended by all tribal chiefs, politicians, academics, businessmen, and civilians in order to talk about how they find a solution for the oppression. They decided to establish a provincial governing body that will come under Mogadisho and will be part of Somalia. This provincial state is called Khaatumo State. They asked Isaaqs to stop the oppression and killings of innocent people, and withdraw their army from their soil, but the answer they got was the bullet. Awdal state also refused to be part of Somaliland. I suggest to invite all the politicians, tribal chiefs to the meeting in order to see the reality on the ground, and not believe propaganda and false statements. Thanks.

  217. ithink the International Community and the UK Government want still ready dont want to fully understand and solve the agonising problems paralaysed the somali statehood for the past twenty one years.
    What makes me shocked and I didnot still understand is how Matt Baugh confused Somaliland to Somalia and if this so called conference’s agenda have been drawn like I can see now it almost seems unsuccesfull.
    My point is that UK interests in the critical regions like the Horn of Africa require security and stability, neither of which will be achieved by shoring up inherently illegitimate and, in fact, destabilizing regimes constructed at some international conference center. If one seeks the domestication into international society of the former Somalia, recognize well-deserving (and de facto independent) Somaliland, so let me make clear Somaliland to Mr. Maut Baugh Somaliland’s independence is irrevocable and its people will fight for their rights and freedom what ever it costs.
    Somaliland was a separate British Protectorate, with clear internationally delineated boundaries until 26 June 1960 when it became the independent State of Somaliland. Of the 18 African countries, which became independent in 1960, Somaliland was the fourth country in that year and was welcomed by 35 nations including 5 United Nation Permanent members. Somalia[1] (former Italian trusteeship) was the seventh African country to become independent that year (with Madagascar and the Democratic Republic of Congo receiving their independence in between).
    3. The people of the independent State of Somaliland were at that time imbued with a desire to create a union of the Somali inhabited territories, which were French Somaliland (now the Republic of Djibouti), the Ethiopian regions inhabited by Somalis, Italian Somalia and the Northern Districts of Kenya. The State of Somaliland therefore promptly and hurriedly, without any pre-conditions, formed a union with Somalia on July 1st, 1960 presuming the affection they had for Somali nationalism would be reciprocal.
    The ill-fated union
    4. The folly of this ill thought and precipitate union became clear to the Somaliland people almost immediately when the legal formalities of the union were never completed properly; a constitution which was unacceptable to Somaliland was pushed through by the in-built majority of Somalia; and Somaliland was quickly reduced to the status of a far flung region in a country governed by and from the Somalian capital city of Mogadishu.
    5. Worse was to come, however, when a Somalia dominated dictatorship ruled the whole country with an iron fist and set out to obliterate what was left of the distinct nature of Somaliland well before it started the torture and killing of the Somaliland people. Other Somalis have suffered under the Dictatorship, but the Dictatorship declared a war on the Somaliland people which led to, as documented by Amnesty International in 1990, “ the deaths of 50,000 people, the aerial bombardment of major cities and the exodus of nearly million people to desolate refugee camps.” To this day, the seasonal rains expose the mass graves of Somaliland women, children and men.
    The end of the union
    6. With the collapse of the dictatorship and the clear attempts by Somalians to carry on business as usual, the people of Somaliland exercised their right to self-determination in the light of the genocide that was visited upon them. In May 1991 the union of the two states ceased to exist after Somalilanders waged a liberation front to reclaim their independence. All the communities (clans) in Somaliland were represented at the meeting in which the decision was made and at the subsequent peace making conferences organized by Somalilanders on their own. History is replete with examples of unions of states that have not worked. The people of Somaliland therefore reasserted their sovereignty and the second independent Republic of Somaliland was re-born.
    Building a peaceful & democratic country
    7. For the last 15 years, Somalilanders have established peace in their country, and without much help from outside have built a democratic state with a two House legislature, an executive headed by a President elected on a national vote, and a Judiciary. Somaliland held a popular national referendum in 2000, which endorsed the Constitution, nation-wide local councils election in 2002, presidential elections in 2003 and parliamentary elections in 2005. There is a free press and Somalilanders value and exercise their rights of __expression and assembly in a region where such rights are not so readily allowed.
    The unique case of Somaliland
    8. Somalilanders therefore emphasize that the case of Somaliland is unique and the recognition of Somaliland will not set any precedent or infringe any AU/OAU rules. There is no other former independent state in Africa, which is now wishing to leave that union. There were territories, like the Cameroon and Eritrea, governed by different colonialists that may have merged or were annexed before or at independence, but that is not the case of Somaliland. However brief the life of the independent State of Somaliland was, it was juridical and, as a matter of fact, a separate state with a constitution, a prime minister, an elected parliament, which under the Constitution was to serve for 3 years (see Article 18), a judiciary and a fully functioning police and civil service. More importantly, Somaliland entered into international agreements with Great Britain that deposited at the United Nations under Article 102 of the UN Charter. Even the final Act of Union which was passed by the national assembly of the Somali Republic a year and half (31 January 1961) after the union of Somaliland and Somalia took place makes it clear that the only treaties and obligations that will be adhered to by the Somali Republic are the obligations set out in sections 57 and 58 of the State of Somaliland Constitution and the treaties entered into by the independent governments of Somaliland and Somalia. As Somalia had no independent government before 1 July 1960, this clause applied only to treaties entered into by the independent State of Somaliland, yet, time and time again, this simple fact is unknown to many Africans and is deliberately overlooked by Somalians opposed to Somaliland independence.
    Somaliland boundaries
    8. The significance of the existence of the independent State of Somaliland in 1960 is also that its international boundaries became, on its independence on 26 June 1960, the boundaries, which were in accordance with the OAU’s 1964 Cairo Declaration calling for respect for international boundaries on independence. This principle of “respect of borders existing on achievement of independence” is again enshrined in Article 4(b) of the Constitutive Act of the African Union. It is a re-statement of the principle of uti possedetis which simply provided that states emerging from de-colonization shall presumptively inherit the colonial administrative borders that they held at the time of independence. An argument advanced by Somalia is that the borders referred to in the 1964 Declaration are those of the united Somali Republic in 1964, but that flies against common sense and the simple words of the Declaration and Article 4(b) the Constitutive Act unequivocally say boundaries on independence i.e. in the case of Somaliland, on 26 June 1960. In any case, it is ironic that the Somali Republic never accepted this Declaration because of its irredentist policies towards all its neighbors, and it is so incongruous that those in Somalia who are now against the recognition of Somaliland pray in aid the Cairo Declaration which is not applicable, at all, to the border between Somaliland and Somalia and was not even accepted by Somalia. In contrast, the Somaliland position is that it supports fully the Cairo Declaration and the doctrine of uti posseditis for not only its boundary with Somalia, but also, for its other international boundaries with Ethiopia to the south and the Republic of Djibouti to the east.
    Boundaries in unions of states
    9. Indeed the international boundary between State of Somaliland and Italian Somalia remained as an internal administrative border [2] during the democratic period of the Somali Republic, when the territory of Somaliland became known as the “Northern Region” which was sub-divided into Hargeisa and Burao regions, the latter covering the eastern parts of Somaliland right up to the international boundary, beyond which was Majertenia, the first of six regions comprising the “Southern Region” or Somalia. This boundary at the 48th Meridian continued to remain as the administrative line that separated the Sanaag Region of Somaliland and the former Majertain region of Somalia, which was renamed “Bari” (I.e. Eastern) region until the end of the Siyad Barre regime and the re-assertion of Somaliland sovereignty in 1991. The importance of the continued use of the international Somaliland/Somalia border as an internal administrative border during most of the period of the existence of the union, is that the practice of the Eastern European states (in the former Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia and the Soviet Union) on their dissolution and emergence of new states has been to extended the doctrine of uti possedtis[3] to the former internal administrative lines of the dissolved unions or states as international borders of the new states[4].
    10. The Republic of Somaliland is committed to peaceful co-existence with its African neighbours, and having laid to rest the irredentist Greater Somalia tendencies, believes that genuine co-operation and closer relations between the states in the Horn and also within the wider region and throughout Africa is actually better served by the recognition of the Republic. Somalilanders are painfully aware that the Greater Somalia dream died when the Northern Districts remained with Kenya on its independence and French Somaliland remained an independent country on its independence from France in 1978. Somalis as an ethnic group now live in five different countries and that is no different from other ethnic groups, like Arabs who, for example live in a number of North African countries. The fact that in some of the countries, ethnic Somalis are a minority, whilst in others they are a majority is no different from the situation in many other African countries, where some ethnic groups are scattered over a number of neighbouring countries. Recognizing Somaliland formally will, at one stroke, lay to rest, for ever, Somali irredentism which has brought so much chaos and bloodshed to the Horn, and will send a message to those in Somalia who are still hankering after Greater Somalia that their efforts will be better spent in building peace and stability in their own country.
    Somali Clans and boundaries
    11. Just in the same way that people of Somali ethnic origin straddle the boundaries of the countries of the Horn, it remains the case that Somali clans in each country are also likely to straddle the borders of two or more countries. Somalilanders in the far west of the country have kinsfolk in the neighboring Republic of Djibouti and almost all Somaliland clans live and move across the Somaliland/Ethiopia border. In the same way, in the east of Somaliland, some of the clans have kinship links with others across the border in Mijertenia (Puntland). These links do not, in any way diminish the sovereignty of either Somaliland or its neighboring countries over their respective territories and indeed Somaliland’s commitment to peace and co-operation with its neighbours will ensure that these kinship links and traditional nomadic(s) are dealt with in a modern and conflict free manner. Recognition of Somaliland is more likely to engender such cross border co-operation than an inevitable fall back to “Greater Somalia” nightmare. The invasion and occupation of parts of eastern Somaliland by the current non-elected Somalia President Colonel Yusuf, when he was President of “Puntland” is an illustration of what is in store for other neighboring countries if Somaliland is restrained from exercising her right to defend its borders. Allowing such naked aggression to succeed or to diminish the right of Somaliland to recognition and its territorial integrity will send a wrong message to all the ethnic/clan groups that straddle the many “colonial” borders of Africa.
    Criteria for statehood & non-recognition
    12. Above all, Somaliland has shown clearly that it fulfils all the international requirements for statehood [5]. The Republic has a permanent population of approximately 3.5 million; a clearly defined territory over which it has and had control for the last 15 years (bar for an small area which has been illegally occupied by militia from Punland for the last 3 years); and despite the lack of formal recognition, Somaliland has and continues to enter formal and informal relations with other states and international organizations. Also, despite all the constraints brought about by lack of recognition and the imposition of unjustified ban on livestock exports, Somaliland is building its democracy and respects human rights and the rule of law.
    13. Some International jurists have argued that if a state fulfils all the criteria for statehood that this raises an obligation for other countries to recognize Somaliland. Clearly in reality, recognition depends on the practice and, often, the interests of specific states. Withholding the recognition that Somaliland justly deserves is not a neutral act because it has serious implications for the people of Somaliland. Besides the denial of the right to self determination, non-recognition for 15 years also meant that continue to be denied direct access to financial institutions, direct aid between countries, freedom to travel and to expand the entrepreneurial skills, and among other things access to markets, education etc. It is also means that there are extremely limited resources for re-building a country that has gone through a war and consequently more unnecessary deaths of young and sick people that might well be saved with more investment in basic services. Somaliland has weathered the benign neglect of the majority of the international community, but it is has and continues to face continually the deliberate undermining of its sovereignty by a few countries, which are pursuing their own interests.
    Questions posed by the International Crisis Group
    14. In their recent report titled “Somaliland: Time for an African Union Leadership” (Africa Report N°110 – 23 May 2006), the International Crisis Group posited “four central and practical questions” which we address briefly:
    — Should Somaliland be rewarded for creating stability and democratic governance out of a part of the chaos that is the failed state of Somalia?
    Surely, the answer is yes. This would be very much in line with the principles of NEPAD and would be also be an incentive to those countries that fall into disorder and anarchy that Africa rewards democracy and good governance and abhors the opposite situations given the Continents state of anarchy this past Century.
    – Would rewarding Somaliland with either independence or significant autonomy adversely impact the prospects for peace in Somalia or lead to territorial clashes?
    No. The prospects of peace in Somalia lie with the efforts and actions of the Somaliand people. Whether or not Somaliland is recognized is not going to bring peace to Somalia – peace can only come to that country when its people decide that enough is enough and work together for conciliation and consensus. Peace cannot be imposed from outside and the cause of Somaliland has no bearing whatsoever on the attainment of peace in Somalia. If anything, it is a distraction to them and sometimes the only thing Somalians appear to agree upon is their position on Somaliland – perhaps if that distraction is removed, they may become more serious about peace-making.
    Let me say to Matt please stop confusing Somaliland to Somalia, we will and never will not be part of Somalia and if the UK government lead to make somaliland be part an enda about Somalia we are ready to shed the blood and fight against it.

    • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

      Dr Nimca,
      ‘Somaliland’ / Isaaqland’ comprises of 2 provinces of Woogoyi Galbeed and Togdheer…you don’t have control of the Sool, Sanaag and Ayn plus i believe Awdal province/state will support a united Somalia. If your two regions wants to break away then fine but don’t add land that don’t belong to you.

  218. Isak says:

    TO: UK conference

    British, Italian and French imperialism all played an active role in the region in the 19th century. In 1884 at the European powers’ conference in Berlin, Somalia was divided into five parts to dilute the homogeneity imposed by its language, religion, and race.

    The colonial powers divided Somalia into British Somaliland in the north, Italian Somalia in the south, the French Somali coast in Djibouti, Ogaden in the west and NFD.

    somalia needs a real reconciliation from its people not from abroad countries like EU and USA. We, as somalis will not expect anything from UK and others and we believe that Shabab, pirates and all evil groups are part of foreign intervetion from Europe and USA to somalia.

    We always remember, the role of Britain’s influence in 1945 post 2nd World War settlement- foreign secretary Ernest Bevin defending the cause of the Somali Nation in a simple just.

  219. Abdurahmaan says:

    Geneva:-(RT)The reaction of the one-clan secessionist enclave calling itself Somaliland to the opening of the long-awaited SSC conference at the famous fort of Taleex on 26 December 2011 was predictable. Panic and palpable gloom now pervade throughout the enclave and among its diaspora. In their desperation, their media and government have typically resorted to their usual ways of rubbishing anything that goes against their wish, or threatening to use force if provoked. This time, they have maliciously smeared the whole SSC people as terrorists for simply exercising their inalienable right to meet, deliberate over their affairs and decide their future. Somaliland’s reaction sounds as if the SSC people and regions belong to Hargeysa, and as if they had the effrontery to rebel from their owners – the very real rebels from Somalia! That mindset is the ultimate affront to the Darwish descendents.

    Haji Abdikarim Hussein
    (nicknamed “Abdi the Hyena”)

    Upping the ante, their most respected senior citizen and a member of the house of elders, Haji Abdikariim Hussein (nicknamed “Abdi the Hyena”), spoke for most of the secessionists in the enclave in delivering his apocalyptic ultimatum to the SSC Taleex conference. Unless they remain faithful to Somaliland, he warned, they will find themselves stateless refugees outside the SSC regions just like the Palestinians. Not mincing his words, he added that “land does not move but it is its people who are liable to displacement and ethnic-cleansing”

    Their minister of the interior, not one to be outdone by Abdi the Hyena, also warned of the dire consequences that would follow if the SSC people had the temerity to establish their own regional administration, reckoning rightly that this would usher the end of their occupation of Laas Caanod and some parts of the SSC. The fact that his own clan (and others) had organised similar conferences in the past and subsequently established their own clan administration, albeit one masquerading as national and independent, is beside the point. Do what we tell you and not what we do is their motto.

    If there is one thing the secessionists have faithfully emulated from their venerated British colonial mentors, it is their arrogant posturing, their self-righteousness, their use of the language of diktat and domination, and their readiness to resort to force in order to bring other clans to heel unless they get their way. That is what they did to Awdal in 1991, to Sool in 2007, but failed to do to Kalshaale in 2010.

    For the SSC people, at home and abroad, Somaliland’s sabre-rattling and smear campaign against their conference will be dismissed as the last gasps of a doomed secession that is on the ropes. Far from acting as a deterrent, the enclave’s ranting will, if anything, only serve to galvanize the resolve of the conference to declare the SSC regions as ones under the control of its people through whatever administrative arrangements they choose to establish but an order that will at all times uphold the unshakeable unity of Somalia.

    Mohamed Nor Arale Dur, Somaliland’s
    Minister of Interior

    Since the minister realistically does not expect the SSC conference to heed his threats, the audiences he has in mind are his own secessionist clan and the international community. For his clan, his speech is meant to sooth their anguish. For the past 2o years, they were made to imbibe brazen unfiltered propaganda about their independence, imminent recognition, and lies that all the clans in former British Somaliland were on board. Much to their horror, they now sense in the SSC Taleex conference the beginning of the end of their dreamland.

    All the more then that the international community is the other main target of the minister’s speech, entailing a plea for support in two ways: firstly, it is an appeal to the international community to accept, if not recognise, Somaliland’s “sovereignty” and “territorial integrity” vis-à-vis their preposterous claim to the SSC regions. And secondly, it is a plea to them to accept as legitimate any force Somaliland may have to use in order to keep the SSC regions under its control in line with their claimed “sovereignty” over the SSC.This is a request symptomatic of a people who live in a cloud cuckoo land.

    For the international country, there is no such a thing as a “separate independent and sovereign” Somaliland but only one Somalia in which the secessionist enclave, the SSC and all other regions are part and parcel. The upshot is that the international community, or more precisely those member countries that matter, would not intervene in Somalia’s internal affairs and support one clan against another clan(s).

    Of all the other four clans and their regions in former British Somaliland, it is the SSC regions (preferably without its people as Abdi the Hyena would wish) which the secessionists consider existentialist for their cause. This is because the SSC regions are the only ones contiguous with the rest of Somalia (former Italian Somaliland). And as long as the SSC people are determined to remain part of Somalia, the unity between former British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland would remain intact. Without the SSC regions, the puny residual secessionist enclave would stand even less chance to win recognition. This precarious situation would become more untenable when all the four clans in the unionist regions – SSC, Awdal and eastern Sanaag – make a common front against their secessionist occupiers. This is already happening.

    The consistent stance of the international community on Somalia’s unity has now been given an unchallengeable legal underpinning. An important development in this respect is the recentsubmission of China to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in the Hague to rule that Somaliland is an integral part of Somalia. There is no reason to doubt that the court will not confirm China’s position which is in line what the United Nations, the African Union, the League of Arab States, the Organisation of Islamic Countries and regional organisations have been saying all along since the collapse of the Somali State. Always defiant, the secessionists’ bizarre counter claims was that the union of British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland was not legally ratified(not true), or that Somaliland’s colonial borders remain valid (ridiculous and untrue) and a host of other fairy tales. The expected ICJ judgement will put all this to rest.

    Given the stance of the international community and the judgement of the ICJ, Somaliland’s occupation of the SSC regions is in the first place illegal. Its continued occupation, and any force it uses to deny, foil or oppose the SSC people in exercising their inalienable right to be part of Somalia and to manage their own affairs would constitute crimes against their human rights, or, even worse, crimes against humanity, something that comes under the purview of the International Criminal Court.

    The dilemma that faces the secessionist camp is the choice between two painful options:. One is to fight on to the bitter end in order to hold on to the occupied SSC areas as well as Awdal in defiance of the ruling of the International Court of Justice and the stance of the international community. The problem with this option is that occupation of one clan over others is unwinnable and doomed. Not only will they ultimately fail, but they will bring upon themselves untold economic, financial and humanitarian disaster (the SSC are prepared for the sacrifice). And their political and military leaders will be liable to be indicted at the International Criminal Court for the crimes they commit against the SSC people.

    Ahmed Silanyo

    The other more sensible option, albeit a bitter pill to swallow, is to throw in the towel, accept that the secession has come to the end of the road and seek their rightful place in the new federal Somalia that is to emerge. Though hard to stomach it, this is the appropriate occasion to prepare their folk for the inevitable demise of the secession and the need to reconcile themselves with their fellow Somalis in Somalia. This task would be made easier by the ruling from the International Court of Justice and the opposition of all the other four unionist clans in the north to the secession and to be part of Somaliland.

    Giving up the secession would require a very brave, statesmanlike and visionary Somaliland leader who is prepared to confront his people with the painful Hobson’s choice they face. Siilaanyo is certainly brave. But whether he has got the vision to see the inevitable and has what it takes as a statesman to lead his people towards reconciliation with Somalia remains to be seen. This is where the international community, and in particular those countries which wield considerable leverage over them, like Great Britain, the USA and the EU, could weigh in and persuade them to come to terms with the harsh realities and be part of a federal Somalia in which they are bound to play a pivotal role.

  220. Somaliland is indeniable Country.So please tell to trhe world that the choice of the people of Somaliland should respected.We have two choice either to go to hell with al shabab or stay democratic and respect of rule of law

  221. Abdurahmaan says:

    Thirty-five years ago Sado Ali Warsame joined Waberi, Somalia’s foremost music group that existed before the collapse of the central government of Somalia and today she is still indisputably one of the best and admired of her ensemble. Sado became a household icon in 1975 when she appeared on the stage dressed modestly and astonishingly beautiful with a romantic song called Cunnaabi (amber), a song that up to the present time, is evocatively listened by millions of Somalis. Sado´s popularity is not only due to her magnificent voice, but her pro-unity stand, political courage and outspokenness against injustices make her renowned. Unlike many of her counterparts, and with out hidden agenda she objectively opposed the practices of Somalia’s last totalitarian regime in 1980:s and for this she had been jailed twice by the then NSS, a notorious secret service organ, existed in Somalia. The first time was when she had, through a poem criticised the brutal oppression against the people of the central and northwest regions of Somalia. The second time was in late 1980:s, when she sang a song called land cruiser.

    This song made her, an epitome of struggle against the injustices and corruption that prevailed in Somalia. As someone whose heart belongs to the well being of the Somali people her song depicts the huge gap between the lives of the ordinary people and that of the corrupted top echelon of the last Somali government who misused aid donations from donor countries. The message of the song was very clear as the words of the song painted how these corrupt officials went, with the donated funds, on expensive and brand-new glittering Toyota land cruisers, albeit the ordinary residents of the capital of the country had no water, electricity and other indispensable amenities.

    For the last week or so a new song by the name libdhi maysid Lascaanood (Lascaanood won’t vanish) by Sado Ali has been airing in the Somali musical world. The song is so absorbing not only for its touchy lyrics and pleasant music but its content is redolent and remindful of Somali nationalism and historical facts that had delivered the Somali independence. It similarly portrays the significance of Lascaanood as the cradle of the Dervish movement, the Somali struggle against the British rule. The song expresses that pro-unity SSC regions of Somalia and Lascaanood, which has been occupied in 2007 by a secessionist militia clan, called itself Somaliland would not be part of a pretend state.

    Although the song, Libdhi maysid Laas Caanood has been welcomed and almost all Somalis are moved by it, yet the song has irked and became ants in the pants of those who want to dwarf and destroy the unity of our country, specially the so-called Somaliland politicians.
    This is the second time in less than a month that Sado´s appearance in the Somali media has been lambasted by the Somaliland authorities. Prior to the emergence of this song, Sado has participated in a Somali gathering in the US, where thousands of Somalis had to come in a show of support for a former Somali Vice President, Mohamed Ali Samatar, and one of the most respected personalities, Somalia ever had who has been accused of war crimes by some Somalis. The accusations against Samatar are familiar rehash of fabricated stories, driven by ultra motives of “Somaliland”, a clannish entity that has been relentlessly seeking international recognition for the last twenty years through all sorts of propaganda. Privy to the aim of those who accuse Mr Samatar, Sado stood up in the Somali gathering and once again has spoken powerfully and eloquently for justice, arguing that it was a hypocrisy to single out Mr Samatar for what had happened in Somalia while other members of the regime are protected in else where such as in Hargeisa, the capital city of “Somaliland”.

    Abdillahi Cirro & Faysal A. Waraabe

    Sado´s support for the former vice president and her new song, Libhdi maysid Laas Caanood have obviously stirred up a hornet´s nest of the politicians in the so-called “Somaliland”. The politicians, there have been furious to the extend that militia’s interior minister, Mr Abdillahi Ciro warned his clan entity that Sado´s new song is to foment uprising in Laas Caanood´s people against the presence of Somaliland militia. Another clannish hate-monger, Faisal Ali Warabe and the leader of UCID party in Somaliland threatened the people of SSC three days ago with war because of the song and on-going SSC people’s meetings aimed at liberating Laas Caanood.

    what such dissimulators say Sado´s song, Libdhi maysid Lascaanood decodes acrystalclear message from the SSC people and that is – the occupation of Lascaanood will not stand.

    But the paradox here is that while Sado Ali was the one, jailed in 1980:s by the NSS due to her opposition to the oppressive measures of the brutal regime against the people in northwest region of Somalia, these two hypocrites who hail from the northwest regions were part and parcel of the regime.
    Mr Abdilahi Ciro was an NSS officer in 1980:s, responsible for interrogating and torturing innocent people from the very entity of which its militia today is responsible for the ethnic cleansing, killing and jailing of SSC people. On the other hand it is not secret that Mr Warabe was an informer who collaborated with the regime during 1980:s for pecuniary reasons and he too was responsible for the imprisonment of innocent people from his own clan.

  222. Hussein Ali says:

    Hi ,,my point is frist off all i will say thank you for british government for this meeting and this meeting will be emportant for somalia country, its some thing makes laugh for many somali people. when when clan say i will seperate for the somali nation its really dreaming the small state who is between Awdal state and KHatumo state and who named him self somalililand. actually they taked wrong name somaliland means somali and the land they have. so idont see any thing british government will be confused ,, thanks mr Matt

  223. Farah says:

    i will keep it simple and leave out any political jargon and what ever else is used to justify somaliland still being mentioned as part of Somalia. its simple somalia and SOMALILAND are not the same. in my generation, i have ever only known somaliland. and to tell the truth have no need to know any were else(somalia) because, truth be told i just don’t identify my self with them. i think what ever is happening in somaliland today should be left to us to handle we took care of our selves for 21 years, am sure we can do that again.this meeting should be about SOMALIA. we didn’t need a sit down before with or with out Somalia about our issues, we don’t need or want to do it today. i am a second year university student, when i graduate my first target to change is somaliland, the new generation of somaliland is here to take care of their country. please leave it to us, and leave our name and our business out of somali affairs. i guess what i am saying is our name (somaliland) shouldn’t even be in here.their country their business simple!

  224. In 1991, after the breakdown of the central government of the Somali Republic, parts of the area which formerly encompassed British Somaliland declared independence. In May 1991, the formation of the “Republic of Somaliland” was proclaimed, with the local government regarding it as the successor to the former British Somaliland. However, the Somaliland region’s self-declared independence remains unrecognized by any country or international organization

  225. From 1899, the British were forced to expend considerable human and military capital in a bloody struggle to contain a decades-long resistance movement led by the Somali religious leader Sayyid Mohammed Abdullah Hassan, leader of the Dervish State. Referred to colloquially by the British as the Mad Mullah, repeated expeditions were unsuccessfully launched against Hassan and his men before World War I.
    On 9 August 1913, the “Somaliland Camel Constabulary” suffered a serious defeat at the Battle of Dul Madoba at the hands of the “Mad Mullah.” Hassan roamed British Somaliland and had already evaded several attempts to capture him. At Dul Madoba, 57 members of the 110-man unit were killed or wounded, including the British commander, Colonel Richard Corfield.
    In 1914, the British created the Somaliland Camel Corps to assist in maintaining order in British Somaliland.
    In 1920, the British launched their fifth and final expedition against Hassan and his followers. Employing the then-new technology of military aircraft, the British finally managed to quell Hassan’s twenty year-long struggle. The aerial attack on the Dervish capital, Taleex, killed many members of Hassan’s family who had been lured there by the British for an official visit.[14] Hassan and his Dervish supporters fled into the Ogaden, where Hassan died in 1921

  226. Abdrehman M Yosuf says:

    as a 27 yrs old Somalilander lives in Dubai ,
    My Comment will be in two Parts :

    1- First , I dont know for how long Somalia will represent me and my Future and my Kids Future and My HomeLand Somaliland .. since i born Somalia was kelling my perople and representing them too .. and I’m Ready to Give my Soul for the sake of Somaliland to be recognised to represent myself onetime in my life .

    2- We in Somaliland Worked very Hard , and we Deserve to be recognized , UK Goverment knows alot about Somaliland Stability and its Developing Society , Why Dont You Take The Lead and Introduce Somaliland to the World and Recognize it , Where you will have the Support of 5 Million Somalilanders for the whole life .

  227. warsame says:

    Born out of terror, the one-clan secessionist enclave calling itself “Somaliland” has espoused terror as a means to achieve its ends from the moment it declared its secession.

    A reconciliation conference held in Burco in May 1991 among Somalia’s northern clans, including those from Sool, Sanaag and Cayn (SSC) regions, was hijacked by armed extremists belonging to the secessionist clan’s Somali National Movement – a misnomer for a ruthless terrorist organization responsible for the collapse of the Somali State and much of the ensuing woes that befell the Somali people since then. Under duress, and as was dictated to them, the SSC delegates had little choice but to sign up to the secession declaration from Somalia. This treacherous background is the basis for this illegitimate “Somaliland” entity that remains to the present day a scourge on Somalia’s unity, peace and revival.

    The fact that the SSC delegates repudiated the secession once they were safely back in their regions is neither here nor there as far as the secessionists are concerned. From their perspective, and in their peculiar self-righteous reasoning, what counts and is binding is the declaration signed in Burco, albeit at gunpoint, and not the true stance of the SSC participants of the conference, or the fact that the overwhelming majority of the SSC people have nothing to do with the secession and are sworn to Somalia’s unity and territorial integrity.

    Availing themselves of the massive military arsenal left over by the disintegrated Somali national army, the one-clan based secessionists had sought from the outset to bring to heel all the unionist regions and clans in the north (former British Somaliland). Hegemony over others, and the misguided belief that full control of the area would lead to a certain recognition have been the rationale behind the enclave’s chauvinistic warmongering. Towards this end, force and terror have been their principal tactics against recalcitrant unionist regions.

    The peace-loving people in the Awdal region were the first to fall victim to this later-day incarnation of empire-building modelled on the ways of their former colonial master. After Awadal, it was the turn of the regions of Sool, Sanaag and Cayn (SSC), whose unshakeable commitment to the union has kept the secessionists at bay for many years but in the end succumbed to their overwhelming superiority in military hardware. Other than overall control, land grab and ethnic-cleansing have been the secessionists’ main objectives of their SSC invasion and occupation.

    The plight of the regional capital, Lacanod, captured in October 2007, sums up the scars that the secessionist invasion and occupation have inflicted on the SSC regions. In the wake of the terror unleashed on the hapless population, over 100,000 of Lascanod’s residents were forced to flee the city and seek refugee in the bush or even as far away as the Somali refugee camps in NE Kenya. This appalling picture, entailing human rights abuses and humanitarian crisis, has been replicated in varying degrees in all the areas occupied by the secessionists with little concern from the international community who appear to have been mesmerized by the secessionists’ public relations razzmatazz.

    The need of the SSC people for an end to the occupation and their suffering by peaceful means was dashed when Ahmed Mohamed (Siilaanyo) took over the “presidency” of “Somaliland”. Those in the SSC who were vainly hoping him to have outgrown his bad old days as leader of a terrorist organization and metamorphosed into a visionary statesman in his old age had a rude reckoning before he even had time to settle in his post. As if he was back to his former job in the NSM, Siilaanyo’s new marching orders to his militia in the SSC regions was to bring the whole SSC under their control. The realization that Puntland had no wish to defend SSC areas still technically part of it, or to liberate those that are occupied by the separatists have undoubtedly emboldened Somaliland’s predatory appetite.

    The town of Buuhoodle has acquired a do or die importance for the separatists, seeing its capture as completing their control of the whole SSC. And for this reason, they mobilized not only most of their occupation militia but also their clans as auxiliaries. Land grab, ethnic cleansing, and indiscriminate slaughter of unarmed SSC nomads unconnected with the fighting and the capture of others as “prisoners” are now the order of the day of their on-going campaign around Buuhoodle. Rather than surrender to the enemy’s genocidal onslaughts, Buuhoole’s SSC civilians are equally determined to defend their territory tooth and nail.

    The current struggle between the secessionist invaders and SSC unionists is a replica of the struggles in the early 20th Century between the British colonizers, supported then by the forbearers of the present-day secessionists, and the nationalist Derwish movement from the SSC defending the country against alien occupation and partition. This time once again, the descendents of Britain’s collaborators are fighting the offspring of the Darwish, using tactics reminiscent of the worst practices of the British colonial era aimed at dismembering Somalia just at the British played a leading role in the partition of the Somali home land in the Horn.

    In the current battles for the soul of Somali unity, the separatists are using body count of the casualties they inflict on the occupied SSC people as an indicator of their military success and prowess. If such a measure could determine the outcome of this struggle, they can certainly consider themselves successful bearing in mind the number of innocent SSC civilians they killed throughout their occupation, not least in the recent clashes in Kalshaale, near Buuhoodle. But they are wrong on this count as they are on others. In reality, the separatist have dismally failed to achieve their primary objective of capturing the town, thanks to the gallant resistance of the civilian defenders who, through their sheer numbers, were able to repulse the invaders and inflict heavy losses on them.

    The gulf between the jingoistic bloodthirsty political class beating war drums in Hargeisa and their miserable militia in the SSC could not have been so wide. Often unpaid, and away from their regions and families for long periods, Somaliland’s militia have no stomach to perish in what they rightly see as a pointless colonial-like campaign aimed at conquering, suppressing and subjugating other clans who have no wish to be part of their secession and will never embrace it under any circumstances. Given the chance, most of the militia would have returned back to their homes and regions, and indeed many of them are already deserting in increasing numbers.

    What is keeping the “Somaliland” militia in the SSC is a blinkered political class chasing the mirage of recognition and unwilling to face the realities. In a joint statement issued few days ago, leaders of the three political parties in the enclave are baying for more SSC blood, as if enough blood has not already been shed to no avail. How many more innocent SSC people do they need to kill to assuage their thirst for blood? What makes their stance incomprehensible is that they represent the very clan which had been orchestrating for the last 20 years the atrocities and injustices that former president Siyad Barre had committed against their people. And yet, they are doing the same thing to their SSC victims for no crime other than that they are condemned for being “agitators” and “rejectionists” (Somaliland diid) – in other words for remaining unionists.

    No where else in the world other than Somalia does the international community tolerate, if not condone, an outlaw rebel clan not only to secede but in addition to unleash terror on peace-loving law abiding unionist clans and force them to join its criminal secession, and despite all this reward it as a de facto separate entity almost on equal footing with Somalia. No doubt the stance of the international community would have been different had there been a functioning Somali government. But then, the clan’s secession and its “Somaliland” edifice would not have been around for so long if Somalia had such a government in the first place – which shows how much we need it for all sorts of reasons.

    The absence of a functioning Somali government is no excuse for the international community to look the other way and ignore the separatists’ crimes against humanity committed in the SSC regions. Their political and military leaders deserve to be indicted and tried by the International Criminal Court just as it did others from Kenya, Sudan and Sierra Leone for similar crimes. This is a matter for the SSC people, the TFG and human rights defenders to pursue and take the necessary action when its time comes.

    Human rights violations in Somalia generally had become an accepted commonplace occurrence since the collapse of the Somali State. Its worst violators, those notorious warlords, are members of parliament or even held or hold the highest positions of the TFG. The time for impunity is over and a strong message should be sent by the international community that those who commit such crimes, whether in the north or south, would be held accountable for their actions.

    Equally, the time for the international community to give serious consideration to the secession issue and in particular what the secessionists are doing to the SSC people and their regions is long overdue. It should do so now, not because human rights abuses are unacceptable but because what is happening in the SSC regions is going to adversely impact on the rest of Somalia and the stability of the wider Horn of Africa. The struggle between the unionist SSC people and their secessionist occupiers (Somaliland) is a theatre where three important issues in Somalia, namely the union, religion and clan solidarity all arise and conflate. Since one or more of these three issues touch the rest of Somalia and even neighboring countries, they are likely to be drawn to the conflict the longer it lasts.

    For the benefit of the international community and outsiders, it is essential to grasp the clan dimension of the fighting in the SSC regions and see for what it is: It is purely a fighting between two clans who are both recognized by the international community as part of Somalia, notwithstanding “Somaliland’s” self-serving pretensions to be a separate independent country. The first clan, Dhulbahante, hailing from the SSC regions, belong to the wider Darood clan, and want to remain in Somalia. On the other hand, the second clan, the Isaak, from the western and northern regions, claims to have unilaterally seceded from Somalia and is forcing the Dhulbahante and other unionist clans in the region to join the secession. For their part, the Isaak would like the world to believe that the fighting is between a government (“Somaliland”) and some of its “dissident” regions (SSC). It rejects as unacceptable interference in the internal affairs of “Somaliland” anytime the TFG exercises its legitimate right to concern itself with the SSC affairs. This preposterous posturing has not won it any converts, not even Somalia’s worst enemy.

    The SSC is technically part of Puntland, a body whose raison d’etre is to protect its related clan members. Even if no help is forthcoming from the current Puntland administration, its clan members are most likely to come to the defence of the SSC people. Other related Darood clans in the rest of southern Somalia, or even in neighboring countries, could also easily get sucked into fighting in one way or another. As such, the clan dimension is a powder keg that could easily ignite the conflict into a wider conflagration. Proactive action now, requiring Somaliland’s immediate withdrawal from the SSC regions, is the best insurance to contain the conflict.

    Religion also has an important part to play in the conflict. For al-Shabaab jihadists, secession and the break-up of the Somali nation are cardinal Islamic sins and therefore an open invitation to the jihadists to intervene. Al-Ashabaab has strong followers and sympathizers among the Isaak, so much so that their leader, Ahmad Abdi Godane “Abu Zubayr”, and many of his lieutenants are from the Isaak clan. It was al-Shabaab extremists under his orders who were responsible for three suicide bombings in Hargeisa in October 2007 that targeted the presidential palace, the Ethiopian trade office and the regional UN offices in which more than 20 people were killed. What the secessionists are doing in the SSC is not only terrorism but creating a fertile ground for al-Al Shabaab’s own terror.

    In addition to clan and religion, threats to the union could attract unionists across the clan divide. These three issues, namely religion, union and clan bonds and solidarity, are what bind Somalia and hence are the factors that are most likely to be at play in the conflict in the SSC regions. And it is for these reasons that the international community ought to intervene now before it is too late and address the fundamental problem in the north which is secession and the mother of all the problems in the north and wider Somalia.

    The SSC people are not only fighting for their inalienable rights and land but above all to defend Somalia’s unity and territorial integrity. It is a cause that calls on all Somalis, irrespective of their region or clan to play their part. Even if no such help materializes, the SSC people, true to their Derwish heritage, are determined to defend the unity of Somalia on their own, knowing that the longer the struggle in the SSC continues, the more Somaliland’s position on the ground becomes untenable. There is no doubt that the SSC regions will be the graveyard for secession. Once defeated here in the SSC, it will never rear its ugly head again in Somalia or for that matter anywhere else in the rest of Africa.

  228. Ahmed Dariiqo says:

    “Peace”.
    I would like to thank firstly GOD the “one and only” that has given us the opportunity to held meeting and discuss what the Somali people are facing now. Secondly for all the people who left their comments and showed their expression but I would like to remind that we are in the 21st Centaury and that nobody or no family has the right to control another family and at the same time I don’t know what is good for you neither do you know what is good for me.

    In my conclusion I would like to say KHAATUMO STATE knows what is good for them self and that no one would tell what is good for khaatumo therefore the only way that the Somali people can live peace and have love for each other is to give decision to the people meaning every group, tribe and etc in which they can make decision without any interference in which would bring all Somali (Somali Wayn) people together if god wills.

  229. IBRAHIM says:

    WHAT I LIKE MOST IS THE STABILITT AND THE UNITY OF SOMALIA , SOMALILAND, AWDAL, DARWISH STATE OF SOMALIA , PUNTLAND,GALMUDUG STATE. HIMIN IYO HEEB ALL SHOULD TAKE PART THE LONDON CONFRENCE ASL EQUAL THAT IS THE SOLUTION OF THE SOMALIA BECOUSE EVERY REGION BELONGS TO ONE CLAN OR TRIBE EN EACH TRIBE CANT BE RULED BY ANOTHER TRIBE

    THANK YOU DAVID CAMERON FOR YOUR INTRESTING IN SOMALI PEOPLE

  230. Abdi Jamal says:

    Dear Matt,

    The Conflict in Somali and the Horn of Africa has a source and I am sure Britain as the old empire is well aware of it. The Somali government was overthrown by Ethiopia and Somali help overthrow the Ethiopain regime and that conflict is not yet resolved. The source of conflict is the Ogaden and if that is not resolved there is very little chance of the Horn of Africa becoming stable as the Ethiopian policy towards Somalia has been to divide and rule for the past twenty years as she does not want see a stable Somalia which she sees as a threath. An Example of this was the 1964 and 1977 Ogaden War. Unless a Referendum or a Political Peace Settlement is achieved in the Ogaden, Somalia will not become a stable nation. We need to understand this and all the other disputes are the knock-on-effects or the symptoms of the Somali Desease. I don’t suggest that the Ogaden becomes part and parcel of Somalia but since the Ogaden is inhabited by ethnic Somalis who also have trible links across the border, there has always been trouble and the Human Rights violations by succsesive Ethiopian goverments means there will be insurgency which in turns affects the whole of Somalia. The Pirate Issue, Extremism, and all the other Somali ills are the by-product of the source.

    I would urge the British government to address this issue first by solving the Ethiopia and ONLF deadlock and if that is achieved, the government of Ethiopia will stop interfering with Somalia and I am certain then Somalis will solve their differencies.

    I hope this Confrence will be a meaningful one and the British government takes the credit for this. As a British citizen myself, I hope we have a long term strategy to safeguard our interests in the Horn of Africa and do our best to make a stable region.

    Thank You.

  231. Mustafa says:

    hello every one!
    Somaliland is indeniable Country.So please tell to trhe world that the choice of the people of Somaliland should respected.We have two choice either to go to hell with al shabab or stay democratic and respect of rule of law.
    no more mogadisho…
    somaliland is old country from 1960 6 26 dont forget the real History of Somaliland.
    thankss

  232. Mustafa says:

    Hold on a second. May I ask why cant we get an ideal solution for the problem then? or may be u need to go back to prof. ahmed ismail and ask him “Prof, Do we have a plan B coz Plan A does not seem to be working very good?. and FYI, there is no secession between Somaliland and Somalia, coz the so-called failed principle of unity was never existed and will never ever happen. How many times do u guys need to be told that, the people of Somaliland are now fully become state and you should concentrate solving your problems rather than running after Somaliland. They have made their own choice, they are demanding to be left alone to decide their own destiny. And by the way, do u mind asking one more question to your prof. ahmed ismail when you meet him, tell that the people of Somaliland are wiling to join a unity of Somalia only after you successfully unite the other four somali ethnics (Djibouti, East Ethiopia, NFD and somali-italian). So, it seems like you are your prof. have alot of things to do kkkkkkkkkkk and good lucky with that dear.

  233. Safi Abdi says:

    My sincere advice to you and your government, stay away from Somalia. Your predecessors have already done enough damage. Have you forgotten how you divided our land? Or perhaps to you that’s nothing, it was long ago and all of Africa was chopped up, wasn’t it?
    Mr. Baugh, before the Europeans came to us we were Somalis living on the motherland. We had everything we needed for our life style, we were trading with the outside world, we had great life-stock, and farmlands, rivers, sunshine, starry nights and cool evening breeze. Better still, we had our dignity, and a sense of self-worth. We depended on ourselves and God for our livelihood. Today, we are beggars, and some of us became so good at it, that they really don’t want to get out of this lucrative business. Hence the endless chaos that’s become the in thing with Somali men.
    In the old days things weren’t always a bed of roses, and we did have our little squabbles every now and then, but we were free spirits. We made wars at will and made peace at will; we were masters of our own fate. There was no one dictating to us. Our grown-ups were adults then; not Children.
    Before the Europeans decided they couldn’t take their own sunless continent anymore, all of Somalia was a Somali-territory. We were a nation of tribes, clans and sub-clans, living side by side as God intended, with our own natural boundaries; natural resources and boundaries that needed neither policing nor armies or flags. And we did have our own system, our own rules and regulations that governed our lives.
    Come the British and their brethren, then before we knew it, we became British Somali land, we became Italian Somali-land, French Somali-land, before we knew what was happening a huge chunk of our land was gifted to Ethiopia, a Christian state, another chunk became an extension of what’s today Kenya….The rest is history. We now have Somalis who are Kenyans, Somalis who are Ethiopians, Somalis who are Djiboutians, Somalis who are refugees in the four corners of the world; Somalis who are British, Somalis who are Americans, Somalis who are Dutch, Scandinavian, Australian, Canadian, you name it, and the list could go on. There are also paper-less Somalis who roam the wilderness in Africa and Mideast. There are also those who could neither board a plane or boat; the poor farmers who were stripped of their farms by marauding warlords; Known as IDPs these people are refugees in their own country, paper-less, without proper roof over their heads.
    If you ever wanted to come face to face with a human being in limbo, visit a refugee camp. Talking of dislocation; did you know that the biggest refugee camp in the world is in Kenya? And this is populated by none other than Somalis who fled from Somalia? There are also those who simply melt away into the high seas, without a trace.
    There are also those Somalis in the North who actually think they’re still under the British Empire….they call themselves Somali-landers, and they want out of the Somali fold. Don’t know how feasible that could be since the name Somali is still attached to the land? And the clans in the neighborhood aren’t agreeable to the deal? As we speak there’s war and terror campagins agains unionist tribes in the North and unless sense prevails and the secessionist lead administration listens to reason then expect more bloodbath.
    Good luck!

    • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

      Aww, that was poetic, keep the good work.
      Isn’t ironic that most somalilanders/isaaqlanders, who were given asylum in UK and the rest of Europe by claiming to be persecuted minorities i.e Shanshiil, Ashraf, Barawani, Tuni, Banaadir and Midgaan from Mogadishu and and surrounding areas i.e when in reality they were diaspora Somalis from Hargeisa who were residence in Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain,Egypt, Kenya, Tanzania etc should now claim they can’t share a country with fagash want a fagash free country called ‘Somaliland’.

      I cry for all the genuine refugees who had to walk for months in the wilderness of somalia’s harsh terrain running from different warlords, religious extremist, land pirates and rapist while watching their families get decimated by hunger and disease. To all Somalis, let us stop Somalia’s clan power politics and instead take care of our most weakest, the voiceless and the countless orphans.

      My abiding memory of Somalia of the last 21 yrs is the human suffering and pain etched in the faces of people of Baydhoba, probably the most disfranchised and defenseless people in Somalia, that was 20 yrs ago…..today their children could be the ones in Dhadaab, Dollo Ado, Afgoye and IDP’s of Mogadishu. The world needs to end this human suffering for the sake of humanity.

      Britain and it’s allies should help Somalia build it’s institutions i.e military,hospitals, schools, police, judiciary, tax collection capabilities etc this institutions will hopefully help eradicate the only functioning political system in Somalia, clannism.

      • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

        Aww, that was poetic, keep the good work.
        Isn’t ironic that most somalilanders/isaaqlanders, who were given asylum in UK and the rest of Europe by claiming to be persecuted minorities i.e Shanshiil, Ashraf, Barawani, Tuni, Banaadir and Midgaan from Mogadishu and and surrounding areas i.e when in reality they were diaspora Somalis from Hargeisa who were residence in Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain,Egypt, Kenya, Tanzania etc should now claim they can’t share a country with fagash want a fagash free country called ‘Somaliland’.
        I cry for all the genuine refugees who had to walk for months in the wilderness of somalia’s harsh terrain running from different warlords, religious extremist, land pirates and rapist while watching their families get decimated by hunger and disease. To all Somalis, let us stop Somalia’s clan power politics and instead take care of our most weakest, the voiceless and the countless orphans.
        My abiding memory of Somalia of the last 21 yrs is the human suffering and pain etched in the faces of people of Baydhoba, probably the most disfranchised and defenseless people in Somalia, that was 20 yrs ago…..today their children could be the ones in Dhadaab, Dollo Ado, Afgoye and IDP’s of Mogadishu. The world needs to end this human suffering for the sake of humanity.
        Britain and it’s allies should help Somalia build it’s institutions i.e military,hospitals, schools, police, judiciary, tax collection capabilities etc this institutions will hopefully help eradicate the only functioning political system in Somalia, clannism.

        • A Abdi says:

          50,000 Somalilanders will killed practically over night. Whilst 300,000 left to flee the bombarment. Prior to this they were subjected to rape and incarceration by the faqash/fashists whilst their main source of income the port was blocked for trading before they had the civil war against this oppression. Your crocodile tears for the Baidoba people and the litte people doesn’t ring true when you so casually dismiss others who suffered for near enough 30yrs now. From demining of their country to rebuilding slowly and burying the dead. You only see the refugees that left but not the many that were left behind to pick up the pieces. Racial Empathy is what this is called? Somalilanders have been offering their support to other Somalis since 1995 but of course that isn’t mentioned. Their charity is expected and taken for granted but their wishes dismissed and ignored all in the name of Brotherhood Somalianism.

          • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

            50,000 killed overnight? Do you really believe those lies? You must live in a fantasy world. The Siad Barre dictatorship enslaved all Somalis with the exception of maybe Marehan clan. it’s bizarre to think that Isaaq’s are the only ones who have monopoly of suffering.

  234. H. Abtidon - 7 Middleton Way, Brampton, ON L6S 4B1 T: 6477720437 says:

    UDUB DIASPORA
    Thanks for the British Government on its efforts to get solution the Somali overdue problems. We believe the British puts is very important so that the Region will achieve the long waiting stability. Also this occasion will give an opportunity the Awdal State, Khatumo State and Somaliland to meet on side and discuss their internal affairs as well as the Somali Conference in London.
    The UDUB Party in the Diaspora supports the Conference and wish good outcome for the people of Somalia. Further we congratulate the success of the foreign policy of the current government in Arab Spring in the North of Africa and this is the time for the Sub-saharaha Africa.
    Thak you
    H. Abtidon
    UDUB Diaspora

  235. Realist says:

    It is a very important and much needed initiative from the British government, which has always been good to Somali people. Somalia needs the help of the international community to solve the longest running conflict in Africa. Security of the region is paramount as the consequences are too grave to ignore. However, long lasting solution can only be found in two state solutions. Piracy and extremism are not the causes of the Somali civil war but they are the product of it and that should never be forgotten. I was sceptical about Somaliland attending this conference but I have changed my mine due to a press conference given in Hargeisa, the capital of Somaliland, by the deputy British Ambassador in Ethiopia, Mr. Chris Allan. Now I think it is only right for Somaliland to attend and present her case.

  236. Joseph Draffin says:

    Good day Matt,

    I’ve worked in Somaliland, the former British protectorate in North Somalia from 2002 to 2006, and witnessed the profound democratic, political and economic developments made on the ground, in contrast the civil strife in the rest of the country.

    I hope this upcoming conference puts much emphasis on the status of Somaliland as an independent state and its quest for recognition. The United Kingdom should take this opportunity to pave the way for full international engagement with Somaliland which will ultimately bring peace and stability to a Greater Somalia.

    • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

      The recognition of ‘Somaliland’ will bring the disintegration of the whole Somalia and probably war in Northern Somalia. The people of Awdal region,Sool region and Sanaag region will not be happy with Hargeisa consesus that makes them second class citizen in their own lands. They will rebel and i fear the outcome will be clan cleansing. Things are already deteriorating in ‘Somaliland’ with the closure of independent media and detention of Journalists. The attack of Buuhodle in the past 3 days i’m afraid will be the norm as Isaaq’s try to impose their hegemony on the Dhulbahantes, Wasangire and Gadarbusi.

      • NOA Hirsi says:

        On one hand you preaching hater of one clan and on the other you calling for that clan the distruction of the same clan. To make the matter worse you crying of dead horse which neither d. cameroon nor sarkozy cannot revive that horse to life through have baked solution.
        If you corner any living creature into a corner that creature will fight for survival. When landers tells the international community to recognise for lasting peace to be achieved in the somali speaking pennisula, what they mean recognition will take war out of the equation.
        Somalilanders are ready sacrifies their collective lives while defending the hard earned achievement. So if encourage those people you mention take arms against somaliland you are encouraging them to become canon foders

        • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

          I hate no clan, i just don’t like ‘clan republics’. I also don’t like your indifference to the rest of Somalis.

  237. akram says:

    Matt if you really care about Somalia let somaliland be party of the world and support them..

  238. Hussein M. Haroon says:

    Dear Matt. take my word for granted, I have the feeling that the upcoming U.K conference will be a total failure – i forsee! simply because of your limited background info on Somaliland Republic and your illegal mix with Somalia is a sign that you are informed on the situation. Hence, if you mind get educated. Somaliland has nothing to do with such conference. We are however, more than ready to help them end the unnecessary killings and hostilities.
    Thanks

  239. Ali Mahamud says:

    TFG Somalia government needs to stop supporting & funding Terrorist groups against Somaliland

  240. Hawlkar says:

    First wold like to thank the British Government to try to help to the poorest communities around the globe the people of what so called the republic of Somalia a failed state and now the home of international terrorists and the masterminded of cross border crimes

    I believe any agenda regarding Somali Recociliation Conference Without priortising, first the issue between Somalia vs Somaliland will not result lasting peace in the former Somali republic territory.

    The true solution will come out when the orgnizers of the conference are aware the current facts on the ground in the territory of former Somalia. Thus don’t mixed Somaliland with the other parts of Somalia whather it is Puntland or south and central Somalia. this is the inevitable reality in the ground. Somalilanders had decided not to be part in Somalia any more. So neither the international community nor the organisers of the forthcoming London conference cannot overlook the wishes and self determinantions of the people of Somaliland.

    The Republic of Somaliland is a free and peace-loving state, and its democratically elected government is the only one that represents the interests and wishes of the people of Somaliland.

    Somaliland is the only nation not represented in the global assembly. The African Union’s exclusion of Somaliland violates the principles and spirit of African Charters as well as the United Nation and, in particular the fundamental principal of universality, and of the African Charter on Human and People’s Rights and Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

    Somaliland and its three and half million people are capable of making significant contributions to many African Union and UN efforts in and around the African continent particularly in the Horn of African region. According the rich civilized culture and jeopolitical stratigic location of Somaliland will be intrumental tool to do its part to combat such international problems as poverty, regional conflict, terrorism, drug trafficking, organized crime, and environmental degradation.

    Somaliland enhances the security of the African continent, UK, US, Europe, Asia including Middle East and that of the globe.

    The nascent democracy in Somaliland needs support against those who hate freedom, democracy and universal human rights. It is time the UK grants economical and technical assistance to Republic of Somaliland before the fundamentalists Islamic terrorists groups linked international terrorists of Al Qaida come to ruin the peace, democracy institution, human rights culture and stability Somaliland has achieved during the past two decades.

  241. gelle says:

    thanks matt i appreciate you and every body seeking long life peace uphold in somalia but here m telling my truth opinion which is
    first and formost i m somalilander and one thing that is never possible to be joined or reunited with somalia is we saw already what was the unity and it consequence and here everybody from somali land likes to be another government as it was in the colonies so i m remembering our somali bothers do not ever never thing that again that we will get united again. this is true and it wont stop for ever thanks

  242. Omar Ali says:

    International Communities need to support the Peace and the Democracy in Somaliland by recognising Somaliland as a Sovereign State. The British Government could ask the United Nation to held in Somaliland a Independence referendum like in the South Sudan so people in Somaliland can decide themselves if they want to be Independent or not Somalia.

  243. Guleed says:

    Rest assured this upcoming conference will definitely be doomed like the countless failed conferences held before in different foreign countries, because same old dishonest and clueless Somalis and foreigners with vested interests will chit chat, produce meaningless conclusion and will leave everything to remain the same.
    I suggest the conference to be held in Mogadishu solely by the people of Somalia, even the Somalis who hail from Kenya, Eithiopia, Djibouti and Somaliland should be excluded.
    The people of the South should learn how to leave together and manage their affairs like the rest of the human in the world.

  244. Aden says:

    This is to educate those who were born during Siyad Barre:

    HARGEISA, Somaliland, June 26 (Reuters) – A blue and White starred flag was hoisted here today after all-night celebrations ending seventy-three years of British rule in this East African Territory at the south end Red Sea.

    Mohammed Haji Ibrahim Egal took an Oath on the Quran as Premier of the new nation of Somaliland.
    Nearly 1,000 British-trained Somali troops were handed over to him by the retiring commandant; Brig. Gen. O. G. Brooks.
    Mr. Egal welcomed a delegation from a neighboring Italian Somalia, scheduled to unite with Somaliland to form a republic of 2, 000, 000 population when Italy gives up her United Nations trusteeship Friday.

    British Rule In Somaliland IS Ended
    The Times
    Monday, June 27, 1960

    HARGEISA, Somaliland, June 26, 1960 (Reuter): British rule ended here at midnight last night as fireworks and singing crowds heralded the Independence of Somaliland. Celebrations continued throughout the night. A big electric sign on a hillside carried the message: “Long Live independence.”

    Celebrations in the capital were repeated in settlements and outposts throughout the territory. The rejoicing will continue tomorrow, which has been proclaimed a public holiday.

    Early this morning crowds thronged the polo ground for the final act of independence. Mohammed Haji Ibrahim Egal, the Prime Minister of independent Somaliland, took an oath on the Quran to the new state and hoisted the blue and white, starred flag.

    Nearly 1,000 British-trained Somaliland Scouts were then handed over to the Prime Minister by Brigadier O. G. Brooks, the Colonel Commandant. After the ceremony, the crowds swarmed into the town, cheering and shouting freedom slogans. At dusk last night the band of the 1st Battalion, the Royal Highland Fusiliers, beat retreat and the Union Jack was lowered.

    The last toast to the Queen was proposed by Mr. P. Carrel, who was acting Governor until midnight, at a reception. He said: “This is the last occasion on which we British can offer best wishes for the future of the people of Somaliland and Somalia (the Adjacent Italian trust territory). May they have a happy life and prosperity for the rest of their days.”

    Union with Somalia

    The Prime Minister responded with a tribute to the British association, saying: “We have not always seen eye to eye, but we share a Common ideal in the simple things of life. This is not the end of British-Somali relations. These relations are simply taking another shape for the better.”
    Somaliland plans to unite with Somalia on Friday when Italy gives up her United Nations trusteeship there.
    A delegation from Mogadishu, including Adan Abdullah, who is likely to be the first President of the new republic of Somalia and Somaliland, has been greeted warmly by the crowds here.
    Adan Abdullah was met by the Prime minister on his arrival at the airport. Police and Somaliland Scouts lined up to give a general salute and he was greeted by a fanfare of trumpets.
    Adan Abdullah told the crowds that the people in Somalia eagerly awaited their independence on Friday. He said that there was no major obstacle in the way of union of both countries. There were difficulties in detail, “but there is no doubt that these will be resolved”.
    The Queens Message
    A message from the Queen was delivered in Hargeisa yesterday by Mr. T. E. Bromley. British Consul-General in Mogadishu, on the occasion on Somaliland Independence Day. The Message said: “I, my Government and my people in the United Kingdom, wish you well on this day of independence. The connection between our people goes back some 130 years and British administration of the Protectorate for 60 years. I look forward to a continuing and enduring friendship between our two countries.”
    Somaliland Marks Independence After 73 Years of British Rule
    The New York Times
    Sunday, June 26, 1960
    HARGEISA, Somaliland, Sunday, June 26, 1960 (Reuters): Crowds danced in the streets here, bonfires blazed from the hills and fireworks burst in the sky as last midnight spelled the end of Britain`s rule in Somaliland.
    The country became independent after seventy-three years as a British protectorate. Political parties gave receptions to guests from all communities. The rejoicing was to continue tomorrow, a public holiday.
    Newly independent Somaliland plans to unite with neighboring Somalia Friday when Italy gives up her United Nations trusteeship there.
    The five-day hiatus between independence and merger was seen as a period of potential danger. There was fear of possible clashes with Ethiopian tribes along Somaliland`s ill-defined borders. [Emperor Haile Selassie of Ethiopia said Friday he hoped for peaceful border adjustment with free Somalis soon.]
    Thousands of Somalis turned out to say farewell to the British Governor, Sir Douglas Hall, and his wife. They flew to Aden.
    A delegation arrived from Mogadishu, the Somali capital, led by the President of Somalia Legislative Assembly, Adan Abdullah. He said the people of Somalia were eagerly awaiting independence.
    Somaliland`s Vote for Union
    The Times
    Tuesday, June 28, 1960

  245. Ali says:

    A reality check for the deluded people of Somalia (formerly south Somalia) living in the west.

    http://www.itv.com/news/famine-suffering-worse69394/

    Aired tonight on the ITV News Channel UK.

  246. Abdirahman Ahmed says:

    Dear All,

    If any one wants to resolve the issue of somalia, they must go back to the roots of the problems in-order to reach a very wise conclusion. I urge Mr Matt to revisit the history of somalia also.

    In my humble opinion under no circumstances, we should talk about the issue of Somaliland in this conference. why it meddles the water further.

    Since Somalia and Somaliland are regarded as a separate country at least by its people and the problem we are talking about does not concerns them, Let us talk about Somalia not somaliland for one moment. please remember if we lamb all the issues and we talk about the whole, not dealing with the current problems specifically, we are dreaming and it is not going to work.

    please remember Somaliland is not part of Somalia but the people share and have lots of things in common and no one can deny that.

    It is wise to be fair and just and remember although we are Somalis we are also British and have right to contribute to the foreign policy of this country, please listen and consult the expertise from both Somaliland and Somalia Countries.

    Finally, please feel free to e-mail me at any time if you need very valuable advise as i am very keen my both countries to prosper.

    regards

    Mr Ahmed

  247. Jamaal mohamed says:

    Hello Maatt,

    Firstly, Iam apraciating you helping our neighborhood brother in south somali getting opportunity to rebuild their divastated country,
    Secondly, it is incredible for somaliland peolpe to hear such political view from a representative of their closest second country ,as your statement that says creating opportunity to reinforce the relative stability in areas of Somalia, such as Somaliland and Puntland deeply hurts people of somaliland and we do bleave that such generalasation of somalia politics is far from reality on the ground and what really going on in what is called former somalia.
    Despite, Somaliland is not just a new emerging state but it is one of the world’s oldest states colonised by British protectorate with it’s internationally recognised borders, population with diverst clans and historic traditional governance system before British clonial.
    After we voluntry united with other part of somalia ( South somalia) Somalilad people were ( the heros of second world war) reclaimed their statehood by prolonged bloody war with former somali government, after with it become one of the leading democratic and stable countries of Africa and no single sound minded plotician can deny this fact.
    In adition to that, somaliland people decerved hestorical success in British sovrienity as somaliland peope were part of 100,000 African soldiers were taken from British colonies to fight in the jungles of Burma against the Japanese. They performed heroically in one of the most brutal theatres of war, yet their contribution has been largely ignored in Britain even disappointed them rather than rewarding for their lost of lifes.
    In the cities of Somaliland , these veterans are known as ‘somali scotts ‘. They brought back terrifying tales from faraway lands. Few survived, even fewer are alive today.
    In sumarry , were British, we are somalilanders, we are united , we are comitted for independence , we are heroes of second world war yet and we gone die for our independence so pls be carefull for deal with somaliland as one of regional states of somalia rather than independent strong state in horn of Africa and finally it is not my own view but the views of millions of british somalilanders

    thanks u for readind this comment

  248. mohamed says:

    I am very sorry to say this but this conference once again it will fail just like others conferenes failed in the past and the reason is very simple. Somali problem can only be sloved by Somali people sitting under Somali tree inside Somalia. The outsiders who their interest is not the well being of Somalis but for the their own political interest can not slove Somali issue. The UK main purpose for this conference is defeating piracy and Alshabab and not to solve Somali issue . Only Somalis can slove their problem. Good example is Somaliland

  249. Idil says:

    Dear Matt..

    Let me clarify one thing

    Question
    1) Why this blog is flooded by Somaliland Clan individuals… who are acting unhappy with this conference?

    Answer….

    This blog was circulated in the Somaliland Clan websites and readers were encouraged to voice against the conference, even in the Isaq clan facebook groups people are advised that they should plea with you to not put the Isaq Clan (Known as the Somaliland Clan into this meeting)
    ….
    ….
    Question..
    2) I guess by now you are wondering ‘Why the Isaq tribe headed by Siilaanyo would want to stop this amazing conference of peace and long term plan to unity?’
    ….
    Answer…
    …..
    There are many issues some I mentioned here already.. but to cut a long story short.. the clan elders of the Isaq tribe sadly do not want the international community to intervene / support to bridge the differences of the different states within North Somalia (namely… Awdal State of Somalia, Khaatumo State of Somalia and the Puntland State of Somalia)… which all have different tribes to that of the Somaliland Clan (Isaq).

    As I write the above lines I am filled with saddness… because I am a dreamer of unity, peace, equality, justice …all Somalis look the same to me … I see no difference and the tribe thing is something that one should use to identify themselves in a positive way .. but sadly, as my Isaq brothers and sisters have displayed here …Isaq is currently under the influence of well known ageing tribal dictator (Siilaanyo), their beautiful minds are poluted by the notion of tribal allegiance rather than the joy of all tribes in Northern Somalia living side by side in peace.

    Also the current ongoing conflicts in the Sool Sanaag Cayn regions of Somalia (Buhodle/ Lasanod) and the backlash that the Somaliland Clan (Isaq) is currently facing from other Northern Somalia States (e.g. Awdal State of Somalia, Khaatumo State of Somalia and Puntland State of Somalia) is fuelling the already-embedded tribal hatred by the Isaq elders of the Somaliland Clan.

    I am sorry to continue commenting on this blog, but the truth is always a vital ingrediant and sharing is caring.

    I hate all kinds of injustice and love all my fellow Somali people both North Somalia and South Somalia.. I want to see an end to the headaches we have endured over the last two decades..

    I welcome this conference and I hope the British Government will succeed in bringing all tribal regions in Northern Somalia as well as the Alshabaab fighters, all Somali patriots who are ready for peace to the table. I also hope that clan regions who refuse to partake in this peace talk.. will be forced into joining for the benfit of all its neighbouring states and for the interest of Somalia as a whole.

    Peace is our only option at this point and this conference brings an opportunity to change Somalia in the interest of Britain and the international community who are threatened by its never ending instability and tribal chaos.

    Big Thank you to… David Cameron our British Prime Minster for this amazing opportunity which has the potential of bringing Somalia back to its feet. Thanks to our Somali TFG for their ongoing efforts to unite Somalia and voicing to highlight the problems of feuding tribal regions.

    I hope my message helped you understand more about the Somaliland Clan and the why only one tribe (the Isaq clan also known as the Somaliland Clan) is dominating the conversation of this important conference for Somalia.
    ….
    ‘if one cannot see peace.. one needs to be shown’

    .. thanks Matt
    ….
    Idil (proud British Somali)

  250. Mohamed Kahin says:

    We (Somalilanders) are allowed to flood this forum to voice our issues because Somalilanders gave their blood to Great Britain unlike you refugees from Somalia. Who burnt down Somalia and Somaliland and now your crying here. Somalilanders took part in the construction of Great Britain such as Wales renowned canals, shipyards and waterways that powered the British economy. We lived in Great Britain since 1900s while you lot flooded this nation in 1990s via the Netherlands and Italy coming in the back of lorries.

    We, along with Great Britain, silenced you during your fanatic war led by the Mad Mullah, I find it funny now your begging the very ones that ended your extremism and today Great Britain is well aware that Somalis in Somalia cant get along nor can they leave Ethiopia, Somaliland or Kenya alone.

    Britain is worried you lot would carry out suicide attacks. Thats all you bring with you to Britain, welfare and fear.

    God bless UK and Somaliland. Go to Italian foreign minister’s blog if you dont like this website.

  251. Gelle says:

    I am from Hargeysal and I believe United Somalia, therefore British government must unite all-Somalis regardless of their clan and province. I believe united Somalia can bring peace and harmony, therefore PM Divid Cameron and his team must be aware of so called Somaliland, whichs in valid and irrelevant to the majority of Somalis.

  252. Hargeysa says:

    Thanks to British government for making this conference, as I am from Somaliland, I believe Somali unity is very important for the past decades we have been seeking independence and so far we haven’t achieved. Therefore Mr Cameroon must listen to us people from Somaliland are ready to join and work with their brothers in the south.

    • Sheedaha says:

      People of Somaliland have no desire whatsoever to reunite with Somalia, therefore, the best possible way forward is to solve the problem of Somalia first and then try to create a conducive atmosphere to mediate them and encourage them to reconcile their differences and explore the possibility of coming to a common ground.

  253. Hargeysa says:

    To sister Idil. I am from Somaliland and I believe united Somalia, those who believe Somaliland are 10% of our population, if you look at Awdel State Sool Sanaag and Ayen region we advocate and want united Somalia.

  254. Mo says:

    Hi, all
    We need to face the reality, this conference should be held for Somalia and to invite to Somaliland republic as observer and later on the British goverment should facilitate again the two states in 1960 Somalia and Somaliland sit together and discuss the issue if there is any posibilty that they should reunite once again. My advice to Britain is don’t go the trible side…you will never finalise that subject…if you go that direction you will end up clan after sub-clan, every clan there is sub-clans and there is where they will end………all Somalis are one big clan call Somali, so go the political side Somaliland and Somalia, go easier one first Somalia and second face Somaliland and Somalia

  255. Mohamed says:

    First I would like to thank British Government their effort to make peace in Somalia and I would like to say my voice loudly Awdal State of Somalia is stand for my people who signed agreement British government 1884 in Saylac District
    I am proud to be Awdal State and I am strongly support Somali union

  256. Mohamed says:

    First I would like to thank British Government their effort to make peace in Somalia and I would like to say my voice loudly Awdal State of Somalia is stand for my people who signed agreement British government 1884 in Saylac District
    I am proud to be Awdalies and I am strongly support Somali union

  257. Mohamed Kahin says:

    Somaliland will attend the conference because we have faith in the British leadership, mediation efforts and their sincere honesty to resolve Somalia’s crisis. We trust no body else. Our two countries share longer relationship than Somalia and Somaliland share. Having common language, religion and like physical features isn’t enough argument to form one state. If that was the case all Arabs would have one Arabia. Nonsense. Somaliland has nothing in common with Somalia. No shared goal, values, principles or ideologies. Britain is well aware what matters in the world are those factors not religion, language or physical features.

    Somalia is into violence, dominating each others, killing one another, Somaliland is the total opposite. Somaliland has more common values with Britain than its southern neighbor.

    What unifies the people of Britain ain’t language or religion—its the common values, principles, ideologies shared by the English, Scotsmen, Irish and the Walsh. Somaliland believes in the same.

    We will attend the conference for our friend, the British Prime Minister and the government of UK. In Somaliland, Hon. David Cameron is the closest thing to Sir Winston Churchill. Like Churchill, Cameron is building a stronger and viable Great Britain and is not shy of reaching out to his friends. Churchill visited Somaliland in 1907 and in the 40s when he was a Prime Minister, he defended this nation from the Italians, today Cameron would indeed do the same. Britain thrives under the leadership of the Conservative and Liberals. The Labor Party is only good for refugees for instance the ones from Somalia.

    Today, we have to stand together not on top of hills as we did 70 or so years ago but in diplomatic offices.

    We have to keep in mind the so called khaatumo is the same very dervish terrorists we bombed, very soon, they would be asking Great Britain for “holocaust” handouts if we open that chapter, keeping them silent is the only option. No voice for terrorism and mad Mullahs.

  258. Guuleed says:

    To Tobby Kenyon. If your honest and willing to support Somalia, do not divide Somalia. How dare you came up this conclusion, I don’t understand why a foreigner advocating succession?? or your part of the ongoing crisis that’s taking place in Somalia. Please Mr Toby leave us alone, I mean we Somalis.

    • NOA Hirsi says:

      His is not advocating but he is pointing the truth which is obvious Somaliland is already a de-facto state without recognition and with recognition it will become de-jure state

      • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

        ‘Somaliland’ is about to implode, unionist who didn’t sign up for secession are being gun down every day in Las Canood.

  259. M Suleiman says:

    The British government should start by doing the honorable thing and recognize the democratically elected government of Somaliland. It should also ban the terrorist organizations like the SSC and the ONLF from operating in its territory where they fund raise and undermine the efforts of this peaceful oasis in the Horn of Africa. The British know full well that Somaliland was a state before 1960 and that it decided to withdraw from the union with the South after that union has failed to work.

    So far, the London conference appears to be heading in the same direction that all the conferences before it headed. The Somali issue needs a new thinking and nothing less than a complete paradigm shift. Reinventing the wheel will not lead to any tangible results. As long as the international community continues to ignore the Somaliland issue, their efforts will be seen as futile simply because of the contradictory messages that the international community is sending. To ignore stability and democracy and to claim that you are trying to establish one is a contradiction in terms.

    The British government should know better and do the honorable thing and recognize Somaliland’s indelible right to self-determination. It knows the history of the region better than any other international entity.

  260. Abdijabar Ahmed says:

    Hereby are stated some facts about the intricacy of politics in northern Somalia. The demography of population in northern Somalia is composed of 40% Harti which includes Dhulbahante and Warsangeli, 40 % Isaaqs, and 20% Gudabiirsi. The politics in this area of the world is based clan desires. The Harti and Gudabiirsi clans desire to remain to be part of Somali Republic. The Isaaqs need to separate from the rest of Somalia. It is very difficult to explain the main differences and reasons in the desire of the people. It may a natural phenomenon. However, the desire of the majority of people could not be over ruled; the integrity of Somali nation is mandatory; the International community must respect the Somali nationhood. Somaliland, Khatumo State, and Awdal State are three independent entities and should be allowed to operate beside each other peacefully. Somaliland must confine its militia into to the borders of Isaaq area, because that is their land. Khatumo State and Awdal State are not parts of Somaliland. These are similar autonomous states like Somaliland.
    Sadly, it has been twenty years and the situation in Somalia is becoming worse. The point is that the main issue in Northern Somalia is tribal conflict and the force, oppression, and propaganda Somaliland(Isaaq) has on its neighbors Awdal State and Khaatumo State. As I write this to you Matt, these people (Awdal+Khaatumo) are desperately trying to break free from Somaliland(Isaaq)’s iron fist and join a UNITED SOMALIA. The main issue in Southern Somalia is youth hopelessness where Al-Shabaab and piracy are all they have left to turn to, along with major tribal conflicts, and the famine that was due to global climate changes and underdevelopment of agricultural techniques due to the civil war. The majority of the SOMALI people (85%) excluding Isaaq are tired of what is going in Somalia and want the situation in Somalia to change for the better. I am deeply saddened by all of the SOMALILAND propaganda that is on this page. Somali people want CHANGE NOW and an end to Somaliland, AL-Shabaab, and piracy. These are the major issues in current Somalia.

    Thanks Matt.

    Secondly,

  261. Aliburco says:

    How ironic this guy called Abdi misleading people by claiming Somaliland are tribal Militia and part of Somalia. Let me tell you Mr so intelligent, Somaliland facts are well know in the international community and no one on earth can derail the future of Somaliland.

    We have the fastest growing economy in the world, free elections, currency, Passport, police, army, navy, and free press. Not to mention peace, a world without fanatics and terrorist. Now Mr Abdi Your so called government in Mogadisho cannot even liberate their capital city from Al Shabab terrorist, while at the same time your ragtag government have fights everyday among themselves in the parliament. Whereby every other month government are dismissed and new ones are announced.

    All you do is fighting among yourself of how to control the small hand outs given to you by International community in order to help your starving people. While my Somaliland lives in peace and property, your shit hole is no more than doomed house of Hawiye tribe and their hapless minorities who cannot come together to form a decent government since the overthrow of Siyad Barre 30 year ago. For a long time now Mogadisho was a lawless city of crime, starvation, mindless killing, rape, terrorism and extremism, and piracy. Mogadisho tags and their warlords created instability in the whole of horn of Africa.

    I think it’s time Mogadisho regime and its pirate Allies (Puntland) is to be recolonised, because they’re in a state of total failure. And as far as Somaliland is concern, we don’t really care whether the world recognise us or not. We are shining light of East Africa and the only viable state in that region. Viva Somaliland

  262. ismail says:

    Thanks Matt I am telling you one thing Somalis are provences make sure you invite every State

  263. Mohamoud says:

    Thanks idil I think it’s clear every thing Somaliand they don’t need peace in Somalia , Somalia its one nation one peaple one flag never ever be divide I am supporting khaatumo state of Somalia and awdal state of Somali they like Somali unity ,

  264. mr Ahmed says:

    The Republic of SOMALILAND

    The Republic of Somaliland known as the Somaliland Protectorate under the British rule from 1884 until June, 26th 1960 when Somaliland got its independence from Britain. On July 1st 1960 it joined the former Italian Somalia to form the Somali Republic. The union did not work according to the aspirations of the people, and the strain led to a civil war from 1980s onwards and eventually to the collapse of the Somali Republic. After the collapse of the Somali Republic, the people of Somaliland held a congress in which it was decided to withdraw from the Union with Somalia and to reinstate Somaliland’s sovereignty.

    Political Systems
    The country has a republican form of government. The legislative assembly is composed of two chambers – an elected elder’s chamber, and a house of representatives. An elected President and an elected Vice-president head the government. The President nominates the cabinet which is approved by the legislature. There is an independent judiciary The country has three political parties. i.e UDUB Party, Kulmiye Party and UCID party . The current President of the Republic is H.E Dahir Riyale Kahin and the vice-president is H.E Ahmed Yusuf Yasin of UDUB party who were elected on April 2003 for a five year term. The term of the current government was expected to end in April 2008. Elections were delayed to complete voter registration and next presidential elections are slated to be held by April, 2009.

    Economic Data and Currency
    The official Somaliland currency is the Somaliland shilling (SlSh). The exchange rate the shilling against the US Dollar in end of December 2008 was: US$1 = Somaliland Shillings 7,500

    Imports and Exports
    The backbone of the economy is livestock. The total livestock in the country is estimated at 24 million. In 1998, 3.5 million heads of livestock were exported to the Middle Eastern countries like Saudi Arabia which is the main market for the livestock export. The level of exports dropped after 1999 due to restriction imposed by Saudi Arabia which continued until 2002 when exports started rebounding and close to 2 million head of livestock were exported in 2008. Somaliland also exports frozen meat to the gulf countries like United Arab Emirates and Qatar. Somaliland also also exports Hides, Skins, Myrrh and Frankincense in smaller scale.

  265. mr Ahmed says:

    Hi every one
    Republic of Somaliland needs Intertional recognition only but we need nt to unity Southern Somalia Muqdisho or Ethopia, .

    No more Mugdisho
    Viva Rebublic of Somaliland
    t
    Big Thank you to… David Cameron our British Prime Minster .

  266. Sanaag says:

    There are two major problems blocking the creation of peaceful shared Somali Government.

    1) Tribalism and the so called Somali-land which is part of tribalism and they are very selfish, narrow minded people who don’t see or think beyond their selfishness of Isaqiisam, as well as refusing the co-existence with the other tribes, it is something they have to deal with it, if not it is too bad….

    2) Al-Shabab who are really confused, and lost their mind and all they know is killing innocent Somali people. let us pray for them.

    I personally believe, the solution is create united states of Somalia, every tribe including Isaaq can have and rule their own territory/tribe only.

    Sanaag beauty

  267. Ali Dama says:

    Thanks to the efforts of the UK for the Somali reconciliation conference in London. Just I want to clarify like many people addressed previously that Somaliland needs recognition and development from the international community in order to build their country’s infrastructure while Southern Somalia needs reconciliation from the root. Keep in mind if Somaliland is not benefiting these above mentioned things, the conference will be useless for them. So that my advice to the UK and other involved goverments to make Somaliland issue seperate.
    On the other hand, I beleive that southern Somalians need help to solve their problems because of ongoing war, conflict and many other involved hands. However, if UK is trying that it will be a long road and will depend how Britain approaches to the issues.

    thanks again
    Ali

  268. jama Awdali says:

    I think many people have completely misunderstood the agenda of this conference. The isaaq clan think this is a campaign for lobbying Somaliland and have notified every one in their websites to come this page and as much comments as they could to show their support for somaliland. It is indeed ridiculous that they are still in the deep dream and drama that has continued for twenty years. Recognition of a nation does not depend on international community but very much depends on the community that reside in that area. Somali people are absolutely against this seccesionist idea that somaliland always claims. In addition, many tribes in the north of somalia including my region, Awdal in which I currently live are fully against that idea. Great Britain is very much aware of the condition in somalia and where the origin of the problem lies. Thanks to Awdal state and Khaatumo state of somalia who are now committed to bringing the unity back. Despite somaliland’s threats, they will keep on until the unity is achieved. A single tribe cannot be a nation and somaliland proved to be so. I am sure that this conference will lead success and victory. Those who still believe what is called somaliland have put the cart before the donkey and have a chance to reverse now. Long live somalia. Unity is Strength.

  269. ali M. says:

    Somalia arguably is the most anarchic and ungovernable place in the world and a graveyard for many UN’s unsustainable policy initiative, costly and bloody foreign military interventions.

    Next month, Great Britain is hosting a conference to discuss Somalia’s chronic instability. But if you really want know how the west is fumbling its handling on Somalia for long time– just look what the US and Great Britain back theoretically as government of whole Somalia— a fictional Somali government, which has no popular support among ordinary Somali people, offers no governance, security or even reconciliation and is led by highly corrupted and ineffective leaders., who spent most their time squabbling; and itself depends on its protection for a contingency of African troops.

    While Somaliland, the northern territory of Somalia is peaceful, democratic functioning entity–with political institutions that are organic—having built by the indigenous clans rather than imposed by the United Nations or donor nations. With all these achievement, Somaliland deserved diplomatic recognition, but for political reasons, the British Government has even refused to offer support in the areas of economic development, and basic infrastructure ,let alone recognize a source of strength in the area—Somaliland, which stands for freedom and democracy .

    Great Britain’s current policy toward Somalia of propping –up the useless TFG, and concentrating mainly in Mogadishu—-the ground zero of the failed of Somalia has also been abject failure.

    Last month, Kenya has become the latest country that decided being suck into the quagmire in southern Somalia. According to Kenya military spokesman, Kenyan mission into Somalia is to dismantle Al-shabab ,set up a clan based regional administration in Upper Juba region in southern Somalia bordering with Kenya, to secure and act as buffer zone its borders with Somalia. So far, the Kenyan forces have not made any headway into Al-shabab territory other than bombings Somali women and children.

    American and British diplomats, particularly those who are experts on Africa are either ignoring or denying to let proven facts or realities on the ground change their approach or thinking toward Somalia.

    America and the west strategy of relying heavily on Ethiopia, Uganda and Kenya to stabilize Somalia, has been a mess because in reality these frontline countries are the ones who are actually perpetuating and benefiting the Somali conflict for the last two decades .

    Last time Ethiopian troops invaded Somalia; they left behind trails of death, destruction, destitution and disease; they also clearly created the environment in which Al-Qaeda ideology flourish today.

    As the past experience of US, United Nations and African military intervention suggests, there is a little chance of stable functioning authority emerging from Mogadishu, without any reliable, indigenous political partners for governance and reconciliation; and as long as southern Somalia’s rival clans and warlords fight among themselves, even if the US/Great Britain openly support the war casualty resistance Ethiopian, Kenyan and Ugandan troops are waging.

    What is missing the debate of how to stabilize Somalia is the urgent need to address the long term needs of the ordinary Somali people, who are desperate for peace and stability, and an organic, genuine and sustainable political solution for the Somalia’s recurring disasters and chronic instability, which would ultimately give a better option for the Al-Qaeda infected population in Somalia.

    I really doubt the London conference would address any of those issues. But it might deal with issues of piracy, which is very important to keep the Gulf of Aden open for shipping.

    With US presidential looming, I do not think president Obama would not deeply get involve into Somalia’s quagmire. Maybe it is time Prime Minister David Cameron to show some leadership to come out new Somali approach, which reflects the reality on ground in Somalia—that reality includes understanding that Somalia is a place in which home grown, grass-roots and bottom-up reconciliation solution for its problems offers more chance of success than do quick UN imposed political fixes and costly military intervention.

    Ultimately, options for US or Great Britain are limited because everything would depend on how Southern Somali clans run their own affairs.–compromise, sort out their differences and reach out former adversaries in the interest of their own citizens

    At least, Somaliland although is not perfect but provides the best hope for the rest of Somalia because it proven to the rest of the world that Somalis have the ability to manage their own affairs–reconcile various clans, compromise and govern themselves– with little or no outside help.

    Somalia itself needs Somaliland as an example that could provide the rest of southern Somalia’s rival clans an incentive to stop fighting among themselves in the interest of their own citizens, to reach out adversaries for the sake to end the civil strife, and to begin moving toward good governance.

    Alternative would mean more terrorism, chaos and more agony for ordinary Somalis that could threaten the whole region. And for democratic Somaliland would mean unjust delay for its diplomatic recognition and less resources to develop its economy and to fend for itself from Al-Qaeda ideology.

    May Allah bless Somaliland and Somalia

    Ali M.
    Co-founder Horn of Africa Freedom Foundation
    aliadm@aol.com

  270. Mohamed says:

    Dear Matt

    We all know Somalia has been through a lot of pain and the international community never wanted a strong and stable Somali government. It was the western powers who supported USC (mainly Hawiye), who overthrew former regime Mohamed Siyad Bare? who killed thousand somalis in mogadisho in 1992 in the name of operation restore hope? what did Hilary Clinton said when she met President Sharif in Nairobi if I am not wrong she said she will help Somalia and her first help package she sent was ammunition so we can finish ourself off.

    If the British ever wanted stable Somalia they could do so when we most needed. I think let the somalis decide their future.

    thnk you

  271. salim says:

    goodluck for the conference

  272. Faisal Hassan says:

    Hello Matt Baugh,
    First and foremost, I want to thank your efforts and that of your government.
    I am Somali-Canadian who hails from Khaatumo State of Somalia. Today, the people of Sool, Sanaag and Cayn regions have spoken loud and clear. They have established their own government and dubbed it Khaatumo State of Somalia.
    On January 15, 2012 Somaliland Militias attacked the city of Buhodle, Khaatumo State of Somalia, the same day the people of Sool, Sanaag and Cayn announced the great news that they have been waiting for 21 years. Somaliland militias killed innocent folks inside the city of Buhodle. Fortunately, the local residents defended their properties, lives, and removed them inside the city of Buhodle, Cayn. However, the Somaliland militias are mobilizing their militias outside of the city and are planning to attack it again.
    They already occupy several cities in Sool, Sanaag and Cayn regions. Khaatumo State of Somalia is facing an enemy that is claiming ownership of its land, enemy occupying parts of her land. Four years ago, to be exactly Somaliland have forcefully occupied Khaatumo State of Somalia territory and have violated the rights of the citizens. Since then they have killed many people, they forced so many people out of the Khaatumo State of Somalia and within the country as refugees. As we all know, all politics is local. Khaatumo State of Somalia is representing her people and it is working from a bottom up approach to empower the people of Sool, Sanaag, and Cayn.
    Khaatumo State of Somalia’s objectives meets that of the United Nations bottom up approach mechanisms that has been implemented throughout Somalia proper. The United Nations agencies are operating in a similar fashion in Hargeisa, and Garowe based on the United Nations – Bottom up approach initiative. The United Nations initiative should be extended into Khaatumo State of Somalia as well. All UN Agencies should immediately start their operations in the Khaatumo State of Somalia territory, as they currently do in Somaliland, the secessionist entity and Puntland, which supports the TFG administration in Mogadishu. All receive assistance from the United Nations, even though they are based on tribal/clan homelands.
    Khaatumo State of Somalia wants neighborly coexistence with neighboring clans, trading with them and co-operating with other Somali clans and other entities that exist on Somalia soil. Khaatumo State of Somalia’s objective is to make their territory peaceful and prosperous and to be part of a federal government of Somalia that respects rule of law, and constitution, which is based on decentralized structures and a system that empowers the localities that promotes democracy, consultations and due process.
    The main reason the Somali clans destroyed the central government was lack of decentralization structures.
    As you know, the chaos and anarchy continues throughout Somalia. But the real question Matt Baugh we need to ask ourselves is who is behind the chaos in Somalia. In the South of Somalia, it is the warlords, pirates, and Islamic extremists. However, in Khaatumo State of Somalia, it is Somaliland militias who are occupying Khaatumo State of Somalia territory and claiming ownership of the land and the people of Khaatumo State of Somalia. Therefore, Somaliland is the one who is forcing the Khaatumo State of Somalia to defend her people from Somaliland’s aggressions and occupation. As we all know, Somaliland invaded on October 15, 2007 in Lasanod, the capital city of Sool region of Khaatumo State of Somalia, and is still occupying other parts of Khaatumo State of Somalia territory.
    Khaatumo State of Somalia should be encouraged to administer and run their own affairs in Khaatumo State of Somalia, as the United Nations and United Stated of America is looking into new approaches of solving Somalia’s crisis. Empowering regional governments, and allowing regional administrations throughout Somalia to work together in a more respectful way that encourages peace, equality, cooperation and a better reconciliation that benefits everybody. And it should be told Somaliland and Puntland to leave alone Khaatumo State of Somalia, and respect their wishes of governing themselves. Khaatumo State of Somalia best represents their interest and what is best for her people and that should be respected by all including other regional authorities in Somalia. Democracy should be encouraged everywhere including Khaatumo State of Somalia in particular and in general the rest of Somalia proper.
    London Conference should focus how to help Somalia became more decentralized structures that help regional authorities. It should look answers a federal system that is decentralized from Mogadishu is the way to go about solving Somalia’s crisis. Mr. Baugh, this is how I see Somalia today and its solutions. It is way forward and a reality on the ground. Central government is not going to work.
    Khaatumo State of Somalia should be invited in this upcoming meeting in London, The United Kingdom. And I am confident that you will invite as they will propose an excellent ideas to solving Somalia’s crisis.
    Thank you for your great work and look forward to hearing from you.
    Faisal Hassan
    Radio Journalist and Writer.

    • omer mahamed says:

      if we want to reach the and come to end with the conflicts in somalia we have to recognize the republic somaliland as an independent state as it was 1960 when somaliland took it,s independence from great brithian
      and i believe that somaliland republic will play a vital in terminating the long lasting conflicts and hostilities in somalia

  273. ALI says:

    Dear matt

    The real problem with somalia will be sovled only if the international community are ready to stand side by side with the somalis who in time of need were nelected and forgotten.Hoping 2012 will be when somalia stand on her own feet and decide thier future by them self.For too long somali were being under false pretence where NGOs and neibouring countries who were pulling the strings.

  274. Any Beaton says:

    my name is Andy Beaton I am political science and international relations lecturer at Warick University in westmidlands, I recently travelled to horn of africa and choosed to see and visit Somaliland, Somalilanders have achieved an enviable peace, progressively disarming and demobilising thousands of gunmen, while in Somalia militias still run amok, looting, extorting and terrorising the local population. Many of Somaliland’s former clan fighters have also been successfully incorporated into the disciplined national army. And unlike many of her neighbours, the armed forces stay out of politics.

    Moreover, Somaliland is country committed to the rule of law, upheld by an independent judiciary. Discrimina-tion on the grounds of ethnicity, gender or opinion is prohibited, and human rights abuses, such as torture, are criminal offences. The right to protest is protected by law.

    Somaliland is fully fledged democracy nation, and its unwavering . Somaliland has a multi-party system but only three political parties are allowed under the constitution though every ten years their is window of opportunity for the multi political system. Islam is the state religion, and while non-Islamic faiths are tolerated, their promotion is prohibited. Muslims are not permitted to renounce Islam, and the legal system is based on Sharia law. Although rarely enforced with harshness,

    Yet Somaliland remains unrecognised as a sovereign nation. While the United Nations and the international community focus their attention on the civil war in Somalia, Somaliland’s achievement in building a stable, harmonious nation is unacknowledged and unrewarded. Betrayed by the Arab League and the African Union, it stands alone.

    Instead of singularly condemning Africa’s failures, isn’t it time the West did more to recognise and support its successes?, what I have seen and witnessed for two weeks I spent in Hargeisa, Boroa, Lasanod, and Borama was amazing, they are people who are united one thing to get a full recognition, I have never seen in my life a country which have been isolated like that but its people are making tremendous effort, Somaliland got their own currency (Somaliland shilling), their Passport, their Flag,an elected president for five years, an elected house of Parliament consist of 82 Mps, and elected local councilors, an elected judiciary system.

    I belief Somalilanders deserve full defacto Recognition, they made everything possible while no international help was their for them, I will urge the british government and this Conference organisers to give a hand Somaliland’s recognition, Somaliland deserved before southern Sudan and Britain must take the lead to recognise Somaliland.

  275. layla says:

    we re always so thankful for the efforts the GB govermment .uk govermment must unite somalia in order to restore peace in the region united somalia is the best .becouse isaaq was fighters and has theyr own history that have not worked the ather clans
    isaaq sub-clan blieve to shed and fight snm history while the rest don,t inculding like awdalstate, khaatumostate maakhircost,issa, gahayle, gabooye, fiqishini uk know more somali culture uk govermment must support ather clans only isaaq-sub clan need to be govermment and use the power an ather clans like ssc and awdal they called terrorism

  276. Ali says:

    Hi Matt,Somaliland deserve a recognition nothing else and i am telling you if you are looking for better peace and stability you should act as i say.
    Long Live somaliland people and may gob bless the people of Somaliland and their Beaufiful country of Somaliland

    • KAAFI says:

      First, it is interesting to see UK Gov trying to solve the Somali Problem,but Iam not optimistic about the outcome for the following reasons.

      1.Matt howmany times have travel anywhere other than Somaliland?

      2.Then ask yourself how many times you travel to Somaliland?

      3.Does this say alot or less?

      4.British lobby Somaliland to be given by EU why not anywhere in Somalia?

      5.In reality, Britian culturally is not sincere and never become sincere so good lucky for your drums.

      6.Somalia went through all kinds of problem,UK never even help so do I expect Uk to do more than aid, I doubt?
      7.UK have been trying to separate Somalia into two ever since and most Somalis aware, what changed Britain now is the reality on ground.

      8.If Britian is helping Somalis we could have seen on the Ground or on the government aid.
      9.Somalis seas dumped all kinds of toxic and one of leading of Nato is British but instead of helping prevent Somalis from looters and dumpers, they become participants
      10.Have ever heard the Brirish commender cought lootersor dumper on the sea of Somalia….
      11.I,m sick and tired of hearing britian is helping somalia but it is my Joke of the day.
      12.Conservative Government in Britian is helping Somalia?
      Finally, Britian is trying to gain the credit from the Federal government when they have achieved most of the Road map.

    • KAAFI says:

      First, it is interesting to see UK Gov trying to solve the Somali Problem,but Iam not optimistic about the outcome for the following reasons.

      1.Matt howmany times have travel anywhere other than Somaliland?

      2.Then ask yourself how many times you travel to Somaliland?

      3.Does this say alot or less?

      4.British lobby Somaliland to be given aid by EU why not anywhere in Somalia?

      5.In reality, Britian culturally is not sincere and never become sincere so good lucky for your drums.

      6.Somalia went through all kinds of problem,UK never even help so do I expect Uk to do more than aid, I doubt?
      7.UK have been trying to separate Somalia into two ever since and most Somalis aware, what changed Britain now is the reality on ground.

      8.If Britian is helping Somalis we could have seen on the Ground or on the government aid.
      9.Somalis seas dumped all kinds of toxic and one of leading of Nato is British but instead of helping prevent Somalis from looters and dumpers, they become participants
      10.Have ever heard the Brirish commender cought lootersor dumper on the sea of Somalia….
      11.I,m sick and tired of hearing britian is helping somalia but it is my Joke of the day.
      12.Conservative Government in Britian is helping Somalia?
      Finally, Britian is trying to gain the credit from the Federal government when they have achieved most of the Road map.

  277. xayramadle says:

    I would like to thank the British government how to try to host a conference for the United of Early Somalia governments; therefore, British and other countries and communities must consider the New State in North Somalia like Awdal State and Khatumo State. There is no Somaliland
    I believe united Somalia is the only way forward to participate all the State and consider Somaliland as a state. Somaliland politics is based on clans system only Isaaq those believed Somaliland while other clans dined Somaliland and created States.
    After 20 years Somaliland not go anywhere and collapsed.

  278. Ahmed says:

    Dear Matt,

    I am afraid that the UK government is following its interests and is not motivated by the suffering of the Somali people because for 20 good years the suffering was there and because UK is partially responsible by helping the SNM and dividing the Somali people in the firt place.

    Most Somalis. educated or not will never trust OK government. However, I wonder what happened ti Italy which used to check British predatory on Somalia.

    In 2001, British Ambasador in Kenya advised the Puntland president not to claim SSC regions and the Italian Ambassador countered that UK should respect the choice of the Somali people snd should not meddle in thier affairs. We need the Italians now more than ever and I would advice them to organize a conference after the British one.

  279. Jama says:

    In short, I totally disagree with the Agenda:
    The fact that this meeting is considering Somaliland, a completely independent country, as part of the somalia is a clear indication that it has been mislead.
    I thought GB is aware of the reality on the ground, that the problem of Somalia is to be addressed while appreciating Somaliland and its development.
    Those who are using this page to spread hatred and propaganda, let me remind them that the main reason why you kept Somalia slip deeper in to the hell of chaos and civil wars is that you are not trying to solve your problems internally, but keep criticizing Somaliland which have nothing to do with your problems (and plz GB not that). Let GB lead the way to recognized Somaliland, then the problem of Somalis will be solved, and there must be a separate point for Somaliland in this conference.
    We won’t accept any conference which does not acknowledge the sovereignty of Somaliland.
    It is also quite funny that what the deputy Ambassador GB’s Ethiopian Embassy was telling us in Hargeisa yesterday, is completely different with what Matt is telling us here. By the way, do you have two different agendas for the conference?!

  280. Somaliland honest says:

    Asalaamucalaykum All the population take situation i support it,

  281. A Abdi says:

    Somaliland should be recognised. Somaliland should not be ignored as it is at the moment the best example for Somalia. Puntland has already made use of the peace and stability it offers as a neighbour.

    Somaliland recognition will give a clear example to others on what is required from that region.Thus, all those who thwart good governance and democracy will not be able to show the benefit to lasting peace in the region.

  282. a/samed hirad says:

    if we carefuuly think that somali conference in uk government its not reality and solution.say why b/c every western government dnt like to get the point of the somali conflict and where the problem is in.

    so that problem is somalis not for interferance every somali person became a politition and that is problem, the uk conferen will be like previous conference. like arta indjabuti.itobiya.asmara. uganda.kenya. that is reality
    and we wll see inshalla

  283. mohamed says:

    today, somaliland is not simirlar with somalia we have peace and good adminstration the only think that we seek international community is to recognize as independent county. we like to participate the confrence whci will hold in uk in feb to tel the participant our issue and inform them that we broke away what is called great somalia from 1991.
    we hope our brother somalia to get peace and stability. after that we become two separate countries that has border and good manner of noighbourhood.
    in short somliland will not reunite somalia.
    in addition our president will attend that confrence to debate about somalialnd issue .
    thnks

  284. Omar Mohamed (hargaysa) says:

    Hello dear friends I think No way to turn on to Somalia. Because if your home is peace, you can’t go a violence one. And recently events will be end as soon as.

  285. mohamed says:

    Today, somaliland is not similar with Somalia we have peace and good administration the only think that we seek international community is to recognize as independent county. we like to participate the conference which will hold in UK in Feb to Enlighten the participants our issue and to inform them that we broke away what is called great Somalia from 1991.
    we hope our brother Somalia to get peace and stability. after that we become two separate countries that has border and good manner relationship.
    in short somaliland will not reunite Somalia.
    in addition our president will attend that conference to debate about somaliland issue .
    thnks

  286. Cade Khalif says:

    belief Somalilanders deserve full defacto Recognition, they made everything possible while no international help was their for them, I will urge the british government and this Conference organisers to give a hand Somaliland’s recognition, Somaliland deserved before southern Sudan and Britain must take the lead to recognise Somaliland.\

    qoutes from (Andy Beaton, political science and international relations lecturer at Warick University in westmidlands)

  287. abdirashiid cabdi kabadhe says:

    magacaygu waa cabdirashiid cabdi kabadhe waxaan kaqaybqaadnaya ray uruurinta shirka kafurmaya london waxaan leyahay shirkas somaliland danweyn ayaa uugujirata waayo waxaan fursad aan uhelaynaa in aan shirka gudihiisa aan kacadayno gooni sikutaaga somalilad unasheegno u,fuuda kasooqaybgalaysa waxaan kulatalinayaa madaxweynaha somaliland mr siiranyo inuu kaqaybgalno shirkaas dadka somaliland waxaan leeyahay si,khalda yaan loojurtumin danweyn ayaa inuugu jirtee

  288. Ali says:

    I am here to state few facts and it is up to the reasonable people to decide for themselves:

    1. SOMALILAND is the only Somali entity that has a democratically elected government. FACT.

    2. In 2001 all SOMALILAND population representatives agreed to reclaim their independence from the union with Somalia. FACT

    3. NO matter what, Somaliland the majority of citizens will never ever accept to rejoin Somalia in a union and anyone who entertains that idea is wasting his time. TRY INTERNATIONALLY MONITORED REFERENDUM AGAIN OR ACCEPT THE PREVIOUSLY ONE.

    4, SOMALILAND people will seek compensation for the loses of live, properties and time wasted during 30 years union with Somalia. FACT

    5. Somaliland government is the sole representative of Somalilanders, since it was democratically elected and will not participate in that conference if unelected failed politicians are invited to the conference. FACT

    6. Like any other democratically elected government, Somaliland has the full right to keep law and order. It has all the rights to fight sea piracy, terrorism and human smuggling, these are supported covertly or overtly by Puntland, Somalia TFG and Alshabaab. FACT

    7. The integrity of internationally demarcated borders and Somaliland territorial integrity are nonnegotiable. FACT

    8. Somaliland will not accept anything short of FULL independence and anything less will further further worsen the problems in the region. FACT

    9.Those who shed crocodile tears for Somali unity should not only ask unification with Somaliland but union with Djibouti, 5th Ethiopian region and The Northern region of Kenya (NFD) and then find out the reactions of Ethiopia, Kenya and Djibouti that will not be much different than that of SOMALILAND GOVERNMENT. The condition of the Somaliland-Somalia union was to unite all Somali inhabited regions in the Horn of Africa. Therefore, if the other 3 regions are off the table and they are off the table then Somaliland must also be off the table as well. FACT

    10. I will repeat SOMALILAND independence and territorial integrity are non negotiable. FACT

    11. SOMALILAND has all the rights to fight armed insurgency within its territory. FACT

    12. The International community must take all these FACTS into consideration if they really want to find a solution to the Somalia disaster.

  289. khadar Said says:

    “Will the International Community respect the choice of the Somaliland people? Will Britain do its moral duty to influence and lead the international community to respect the choice of Somaliland people as it once did back in 1960? Will Somaliland be considered as a SOVEREIGN STATE during the upcoming meeting?

  290. Mohamed says:

    Hello Mr. Matt

    I am not expecting much for the up coming conference because unfortunately international community still putting the cart before the horse!!

    The only hope left for Somali people is to recognize Somali land and work together for rest of Somalia restore peace and stability.. Somali land can help a lot for restoring Peace in Somalia but recognition of it should be first step ,,, My advice is do not mix up Somaliland for rest of Somalia.

    Thank you and good luck for the British government.

  291. nasser says:

    i would like to inform British government that what so called agreat somalia died and not to waste its time for nothing many conferences were held since 20 years , today somaliland is an independence state seeking an international recognation sooner or later somaliland will never participate any conference being discussed about somalia

  292. khadar Said says:

    dear Matt
    The people of Somaliland are questioning the world community’s action as it also contradicts Articles 15 (1) and (2) of Human Right which states that “everyone has the right to nationality” and that “no one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the rights to change his/her nationality respectively.” The action runs counter to the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural rights -Article 1 which states that “all peoples have right of self-determination. By virtue of that right, they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development”. In the absence of codified rules, it seems that the conventional wisdom has been that states recognize or do not recognize other states on the basis of their selfish interests

    Somalilanders’ pleas for international recognition for their country must be heard. The right to self-determination for all peoples is a fundamental principle enshrined in the UN Charter. Indeed, it is an anomaly that Somaliland is still denied recognition by the international community.

    Somaliland has rebuilt its country without international assistance. It has acted totally on democratic lines, and the demand for independence was supported in a referendum by more than 90 percent of the population. The level of stability is impressive

  293. Kamal Deeq says:

    Hello Matt,

    Thank you for all your efforts in organizing this important conference. Unfortunately, some people from the northern tribes that advocate for secession ( always Isaaq from Somaliland) have been spamming the web, particularly social network sites like facebook, paltalk, and other forums with a link to your blog and encouraging negative feedback. This is something you will have to anticipate when dealing with individuals from “Somaliland.” They will try to bully you into agreeing with their extreme and unilateral views on Somalia sovereignty. If bullying does not work, they will try to insult you by claiming that you are not familiar with Somali Affairs.

    Please stay focused on your mission and focus on peace and reconciliation and avoid the blog flames. I hope all Somali regions can live in peace alongside each other and avoid unnecessary violent attacks like the one recently instigated by Somaliland Presidet Silaanyo on their neighbor Khaatumo State particularly city of Buhodle.

    Good Luck with your efforts.
    Kamal

    • Musse Ali of Birmingham says:

      I seconded to Kamal’s comments. Dear Matt, please stay focused on the real issues. I can see that people from Northeren Smalia are completely obsessed with the Somaliland vs Somalia issue.

      I would think that the relationship between Somalia and Somaliland will be discussed on an other conference when time is ready. The international community are now focusing on the issue of establishing a stable and alshabab free Somalia. After that we can come back to the question of Somaliland I think.

  294. Omar Mohamed (hargaysa) says:

    According to many ways somaliland have to partake that conference and submit their voice because when want to break a country it’s compulsory to talk directly until you reach your goal. Also I have many thanks all the campaigners of this conference.

  295. Farhan Ali says:

    It is an open secret that somaliland deserve to recognize, the somaliland society don’t want to get back the dark history that they met.So I strongly say somaliland need to recognize nothing else.

    Long life Somaliland

  296. omer mahamed says:

    i mr omer as a somalilander i think that the conference of somalia that will held in london does not concern somaliland becouse somaliland is an independent state and succeded from somalia in 1991 after a bloody war of massacre and genocide as great brithian and david cameron is aware of
    dear PM iam suggesting not to include the agenda on the issue of somaliland
    the other thing that i would like to mention is not to equalize the issue of somalilland republic with the other regional states
    lastly iam concluding that republic of somaliland did a lot of development since it was established and britain did a lot to somaliland and there is great relationship so iam suggesting to britian NOT TO UNDER MINE THE DEMOCRACY AND DEVELOPMENT OF SOMALILAND
    FINALLY IAM EXPECTING that if we are not covering the factuality from our eyes somaliland will not re unite wiyh somalia again

  297. Peace says:

    Somalis have independent thoughts and are very different (READ ABOVE COMMENTS). I think nation building is expense (Hence, U.K is broke) I propose this conference should let the Somali Government do its job. NGO’s are undermining the Government and also AU is undermining its authority. U.K cares first about U.K so since this is your conference, Plan a “how to share bread” conference (where you relinquish some powers to the indigenous people. Colonialism is the reason Somalia failed (So yes its your fault, a public apology will be anticipated) The dreaded Pirates; now come on, a bunch of hungry kids on boats? (find a land based economic solution to this) I hope you read this laugh and know there are those that know our history and are taking names. PS: All this X-Lands be very careful with them you are creating more headaches in the future. Weak but dysfunctional spoilers, but hey that’s why we are resilient right.

  298. Hussein Mohamed Ali says:

    Its good the Somali People and their Governments to recognise Somaliland ( Somaliland British protectorate) as a state , and then solve their problems.
    1546 Ottoman occupation.
    1546 – 1548 Rule of the Adal Imams.
    1548 Zeila part of Ottoman Empire.
    1630 – 1830 Under the Grand Sharifs of Mecca.
    1830 – 7 Sep 1874 Ottoman rule, under de facto hereditary governors.
    7 Sep 1874 Annexed by Egypt (Egyptian Somaliland)
    (both under Ottoman suzerainty).
    Feb 1884 British take over former Egyptian Somaliland (British Somaliland).
    20 Jul 1887 British Somaliland Protectorate subordinated to Aden until 1905.
    19 Aug 1940 – 16 Mar 1941 Occupied by Italy.
    26 Jun 1960 Independence of British Somaliland as State of Somaliland.
    1 Jul 1960 Unification with Italian Somalia to form Somali Republic.
    31 Jan 1961 Act of Union of Somaliland and Somalia is passed
    and signed into law (retroactive to 1 Jul 1960).
    18 May 1991 Secession of former British Somaliland (regions of Awdal,
    Woqooyi Galbeed, Togdheer, Sanaag and Sool) from Somalia
    (not internationally recognized).
    24 May 1991 Republic of Somaliland proclaimed (not internationally
    recognized).

    Governors
    1630 – 1830 the Grand Sharifs of Mecca (see Saudi Arabia)
    1830 – 1841 Sayyid Muhammad al-Barr
    1841 – 1855 `Ali Haji Sirmaki ibn Salih (1st time) (d. 1861)
    1855 – 1857 Abu Bakr ibn Muhammad (1st time)
    1857 – 1861 `Ali Haji Sirmaki ibn Salih (2nd time) (s.a.)
    1861 – 1874 Abu Bakr ibn Muhammad (2nd time)
    Egyptian governors
    1870/74 – 1878 Rauf Pasha
    1878 – 1880 ….
    Jan 1880 – Dec 1883 Muhammad Nadi Pasha
    British Political Agent
    1884 – 20 Jul 1887 Frederick Mercer Hunter (b. 1844 – d. 1898)
    Residents
    20 Jul 1887 – 1888 Frederick Mercer Hunter (s.a.)
    1888 – 1893 Edward Vincent Stace
    1893 – 1896 Charles William Henry Sealy
    Mar 1896 – 1897 William Butler Ferris
    Jan 1897 – 1898 James Hayes Sadler (b. 1851 – d. 1922)
    Consuls-general
    1898 – 1901 James Hayes Sadler (s.a.)
    1901 – 1902 Harry Edward Spiller Cordeaux (b. 1870 – d. 1943)
    (acting)
    1902 – 1905 Eric John Eagles Swayne (b. 1863 – d. 1929)
    Commissioners
    8 May 1906 – 1909 Harry Edward Spiller Cordeaux (s.a.)
    Jan 1910 – 1911 Sir William Henry Manning (b. 1863 – d. 1932)
    Jul 1911 – 1914 Horace Archer Byatt (b. 1875 – d. 1933)
    May 1914 – Oct 1919 Geoffrey Francis Archer (b. 1882 – d. 1964)
    Governors
    Oct 1919 – 17 Aug 1922 Geoffrey Francis Archer (s.a.)
    (from 5 Jun 1920, Sir Geoffrey Francis Archer)
    17 Aug 1922 – 29 Nov 1925 Gerald Henry Summers (b. 1885 – d. 1925)
    26 Jan 1926 – 18 Jun 1932 Harold Baxter Kittermaster (b. 1879 – d. 1939)
    (from 4 Jun 1928, Sir Harold Baxter Kittermaster)
    18 Jun 1932 – 2 Mar 1939 Sir Arthur Salisbury Lawrance (b. 1880 – d. 1965)

    2 Mar 1939 – 18 Aug 1940 Vincent Goncalves Glenday (b. 1891 – d. 1970)
    Italian military governors
    19 Aug 1940 – Oct 1940 Guglielmo Nasi (b. 1879 – d. 1971)
    Oct 1940 – 16 Mar 1941 Carlo De Simone (b. 1885 – d. 1951?)
    Military governors
    29 Mar 1941 – 3 Mar 1943 Arthur Reginald Chater (b. 1896 – d. 1979)
    3 Mar 1943 – 3 Mar 1948 Gerald Thomas Fisher (b. 1887 – d. 1965)
    Governors
    3 Mar 1948 – 15 Nov 1948 Gerald Thomas Fisher (s.a.)
    1948 – Feb 1954 Gerald Reece (b. 1897 – d. 1985)
    (from 1950, Sir Gerald Reece)
    Feb 1954 – 1959 Theodore Ouseley Pike (b. 1904 – d. 1987)
    (from 2 Jan 1956, Sir Theodore Ouseley Pike)
    11 Jul 1959 – 26 Jun 1960 Sir Douglas Hall (b. 1909 – d. 2004)
    Prime minister (de facto head of state)
    26 Jun 1960 – 1 Jul 1960 Muhammad Haji Ibrahim Egal (b. 1928 – d. 2002) SNL
    Presidents

    thanks

    Hussein Mohamed Ali

  299. Abdiaziz says:

    The somalis were meeting every now and then whilst results have always been unsatisfactory, so my question is: Why and how this meeting will be different? and my other question is:Who are the real stake holders when it comes to solving the Somali crisis?.

    I personaly expect no major outcome of the meeting, thus no remedy to Somalias’ chronic political and security problems unless the world is ready to view the Somali problem from a totally different perspective. We need to be given the opportunity to deal directly with our issues because the international community has its differences over the instability in the region, which has also prolonged the misery.

    let us Remember that Somalia is practically disintegrated and deeply devided. We know the issue in Somaliland which declared independent from the rest of Somalia is also an other very sensitive matter. of course most of the Somalis are for the notion that Somalia must be one strong nation, but i am asking how? shall we ignore the will of the people in Somaliland? shall we pave the way for even more dangerous conflict in the whole Somalia.
    I personally share the idea of many of my friends that Somalias’ problem is not conventional and thus needs unconventional solution.
    I very often read news items and comments that follow, and what i discovered is that even the so called Somali intellectuals be they inside or outside the country possess no common ground when it comes to discuss the future of the aforesaid region. To my surprise they tell one thing to the international community and an other to their respective clans, and i strongly trust that is one of the reasons why we lack peace and stability.
    Inconclusion, the fate of the region will remain the same if the rule of the game is the same.

  300. Abdulkadir says:

    Dear Matt,

    The British Prime Minister initiatives is positive one, and we hope it would the time that the somali crises will be ending. Amison needs a lot support interims of to increase the number and also to expand their base in other region of Somalia. If the name of amisom to be change into UN intervention it would be more great and attracting more donor to respond it. I and the rest Somali community will support and contribute the next month conference in London towards Somalia stability. Europian National Security, American National Security and African National Security will be depending on Somalia’s stability.

  301. Ali says:

    CORRECTION:
    Point No. 9 should read:

    9.Those who shed crocodile tears for Somali unity if they are sincere about Somali unity, they should not only ask for unification with Somaliland but union with Djibouti, 5th Ethiopian region and The Northern region of Kenya (NFD) and then find out the reactions of Ethiopia, Kenya and Djibouti that will not be much different than that of SOMALILAND GOVERNMENT. The condition of the Somaliland-Somalia union was to unite all Somali inhabited regions in the Horn of Africa. Therefore, if the other 3 regions are off the table and they are off the table then Somaliland must also be off the table as well. FACT

    10. I will repeat SOMALILAND independence and territorial integrity are non negotiable. FACT

  302. Ali says:

    The word secession comes back now and then in this forum. Let me put this forward, who seceded from whom? Was it not Somalia that formed its own government without consulting SOMALILAND just after the Siyaad Barre was ousted? Yes, it was Somalia that seceded from Somaliland and not the other way round. Therefore, Somalilanders had no choice but to find a solution to the predicament they were in. SOMALILAND knew what Somalia was to become decades before Siyad Barre was defeated badly. Those who deny Somaliland independence are burying their heads in the sand and just displacing their problems on Somaliland. Yes, the do not want to colloid with their problems head on and are instead running to the opposite direction – Somaliland.

    • Mario[ Abdikareem] says:

      Until four years ago, only war lords controlled Mogadishu, i don’t remember an inclusive gov being formed prior to that, in the last 7yrs the people of Hargeisa have refused to be part of Somali reconciliation, claiming all southern Somalis bear the burden of Dictator S Barre crimes.

  303. Mohamed says:

    Dear Matt
    gratings ,as somalilanders we well come the effort of the international community to stablise the war torn somalia,i think the British Government knows very well about the difference between somaliland and somalia because somaliland was a British colony while somalia was an Italian colony,somaliland got her independence on june 26 1960 and 32 countries recognized,so the name somalia consist the union of those two states but the name somalia was the first trick that those in the south used against us and still they continue to mislead the world, the people of somaliland was deeply influenced the dream of uniting the greater somalia which means uniting all the somalis in the region under one flag, but that dream died and is not possible in the current international era and the somalis in jabouti got their independance while those in kenya and ethiopia are seeking their destiny in their countries .as the international community knows the people of somaliland suffered alot during that union in every way ,their identity ,history,traditions and culture were destroyed,the mogdisho regimes dominated by the corrupted southern leaders commited genocide against somaliland people,the cities of somaliland were all raised to the ground,and in 18th may 1991 the people of somaliland decided to reclaim their statehood in the self determination conference held in Burao town,today somaliland is an African success story, somaliland is a constitutional state , held three democratic elections in wich the international observers called free and fair, while somalia is a failed state and home for piracy and international terrorist groups,so in the right of self determination somaliland people are not ready to go back to confusion and chaos ,it is up to the people of somalia and it actually their responsibility to bring peace and stability to their home ,but we are ready to talk to them about the issues that concerns us both but let them forget about somaliland……….i hope British Government will respect the wishes and aspirations of the peace loving people of democratic somaliland .

  304. Fuad A says:

    Dear Mr. Matt

    Your statement here” The opportunity to reinforce the relative stability in areas of Somalia, such as Somaliland and Puntland and in the south.” is totally misleading about the facts on the ground in Horn of Africa, and you are as diplomat quite aware what costs the self determination of Somaliland , It is not a dream it is reality we have built our country based on citizen and our government cooperation in 20 years , we have built responsible democratic country. Are you telling us to go back to civil war ? what kind of Agenda we can share the failed Somalia?

    Somaliland will stay independent for ever that is our will.

  305. Puntlander says:

    Thanks to British Government: We all know Britain for their tough resolve in the worlds most dangerous places like Somalia. My advice is simple & clear, one thing we all know Britain is no joke; however clannish Somalia is not easy to solve either. So here is my advice we don’t you try to recognize all clans of Somalia as a clan Governments simple and easy. Majerteen Government SSDF “Somali Salvation Democratic Front” the first rebels in Somalia first they got oil, Issaq government SNM “Somali National Movement” Second there first clan users in Somalia. USC “United Somali Congress” Yes there is a big problem in southern Somalia. Yes there is clannish problem in northern Somalia, and all of Somalia there is Shabab and Alqaida jihadists. Look the population of Somalia is hurting big time. Hurry Britain before it’s too late tell the truth it’s all over period you know the facts on the ground Somalia is failed State the country decended in to a civil war in every corner you see, and every single year when we thought things are getting better the outsiders, and United Nation are creating on other mess because the donors like Britain is not solving the problem directly or in directly. Let me give you one simple example, UNDP Somalia is in Nairobi. Nairobi is not Somalia Galkacyo is Somalia Hargeisa is Somalia Garowe is Somalia Boroma is Somalia kismayo is Somalia they have offices to drop one box loaded one airplane, I believe Britain should look how and where their resources were spent every cent counts there is a child today dying for hunger, and malnutrition. British Government is not joking, and serious for hosting a conference for Somalia, and people like me a Somali citizen are thankful for the UK governments efforts. My fellow Somalis specially Northwestern Somalis Stop the bad names you giving as, and please let your “Godone” STOP terrorizing your southern brothers we know he is in hargaisa last few weeks that is the fact STOP we already in danger the entire world for terrorism for the lack of central government. There is a name that world knows better Somalia, Somalis, the land of Somalia. Today’s names of Somalia ” Somali-land, Punt-land, Azania State of Somalia, Awdal State of Somalia, Galmudug State of Somalia, and there is more will come if British Government fails because we fail our selves for a clannish purpose. Let me give you a senerio let as say Britain will accept one of tribes as a government of their own how long we will stay clannish piracy, and terrorism. The answer is simple for a long time to come. Thanks Matt you are diplomat please don’t fail there is a serious things going on to deal with remember British people always make history.

    • JAAHLE says:

      Mr Punlanders We are talking here daarod,isaaq,Hawiye and all Somali Clans but yuor talking about subclan your tribe is branch of Darood so folow Darood, Mejerten is bart of Darood . Dont talk your selv talk general. Darood is big clan, example i cant say Harti-Dashiishe because is not good. thanks

  306. LAYLA says:

    UNITED NATIONS , INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY ,THE ARAB LEAGUE , AND THE AFRICAN UNION CAN ANY ONE SEE AND VISIT ATHER CLANS CITY NOT HARGEYSA BURO AND BERBERA ISAAQ ARMY USE THE POWER they send and ather city,s clans ak47

    ahmed siilaanyo rejime arested 23 journalist ,tv and rebort he,s on civil war ssc buuhoodle, laascaanod , kalshaale,seemaal , administaration every day uk know siilaanyo,s history

    • Idil says:

      Thanks for that important information LAYLA…
      ….

      To just to reiterate some of the issues LAYLA has mentioned above ….

      See the following video showing a demonstration that happened in the North Somalia recently … in the centre of the town of Lasanod (Laascaanood) on Tuesday.

      The civilians of Lasanod… have all come out to the streets to show support to the Khaatumo State of Somalia…. and to reject the ongoing attacks of the Somaliland Clan (Isaq) on the Khaatumo state civilians. Lasanod remains on high alert.. and innocent civilians continue to be imprisoned all because of their tribe.
      (( see video here … http://youtu.be/eK4KZ0BMmm0 ))


      Thanks
      Idil

  307. I would like to thank first British government led H.E David Cameron to hold this historical Somali conference due to held in London next month.
    It time internataional community help needy Somali people mainly in south and , encourage sustainable development so far succeeded in Somaliland for the past twenty years, and listen what nothern people like whether to be independent state from rest of Somalia or be United agian .
    unless people’s voice are not heard no peace and stability be reached in the near future .

  308. Toby Kenyon says:

    UK 23 Feb Conference should :–

    1 …….. FREE prisoners of pirates
    2 ……..REVERSE famine in East Africa
    3………. DESTROY pirate land bases and craft and mother ships
    4 …….. STOP foreign factory ships stealing fish in Somali waters
    5……… PROSECUTE dumping waste by rich nations in Somali areas
    6…….. COOPERATE with forces to end terrorism
    7 …….. RE-RECOGNIZE The Republic of Somaliland

    from : –The British Somaliland Development Organisation

    • ahmed says:

      Am I mistaking or there are people who are oftrack and keep saying somaliland and isaaq? we are talking about somalia in general not some cities which are party of somalia and I think whole world know that there is no such a call somaliland.it is party of somalia and they killed everyday thousands of inocent children and mothers near B uuhoodle and lasanod without reason. Therefore, these people should be repent and stop acting like a counrty

      Thank youu

    • KHAATUMO STATE OF SOMALI says:

      I am From North Somalia which Sool, Sanaag, Cayn, Burco, Hargaysa, and Borame.. I do Believe the union Of Somalia which is (midnimo).. The People Of Khaatumo State of Somalia will never accept any separation that occur inside of Somalia.. I hope this conference will encourage and enhance the development and the union of the country..Some people said we are not Somalia that very Sad.Furthermore, if British government needs to do something better to the Somali people they have to give priority for the Union of The Country…

    • i support the londond conference on somalia but the So called Somaliland was
      never a country and Britain knows
      about that. It seems that you aren’t
      talking to someone who knows you
      better but Britain does. My suspicion is that this conference will not be
      inclusive if Britain don’t invite
      nationalist states in Northern Somalia
      such as AWDAL STATE, and KHAATUMO
      STATE OF Somalia. I am not sure if
      Britain is aware of but most Somalis believe that Britain is actively seeking
      or gathering support for the SNM
      militia group who control Hargeisa to
      gain independence. Most Somalis
      would like to see Britain doing the
      other way round meaning encouraging Somalis to come together
      not supporting one of the functions.AND ALSO KHATUMO STATE OF SOMALIA IS A REGION CALLED SSC THIS IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THEIR PERIOD IN CONFRENCE LONDON

    • Abdul says:

      Dear Ambasador And Fellow Somali Citizen’s.
      I belive the Coming conffrence on Somalia That will be Held By The Brittish government in UK should be Diffrent From all the previous One’s. Primarly due to the fact of the Long history between the English and Somalis and secondly Due to the failure and fruitlesness of all The previous meeting’s.
      I would Like To add their was an Old fashion way Somali’s used To always resolve their conflict’s prviously. Under The tree used to gather the head of Tribes without any influence what so ever and peacfully conclude any arguments They had openly. That system still works and can work as proven By The Khatumo2 meeting in the Historic city of Taleeh. The system and How the Tribal elders, politics and Society leaders of that region Held their meeting and Decided to and united on very crucial topics could very much serve as a lesson to the rest of Somali’s and Be a Milestone that put us on the right Path to wich our country regains Its Unity and Hopefuly end’s or our very Long lasting conflict.

      Thank you

    • ahmed abdirahmaan sugule says:

      Thanks to the people and the government of the UK, we as somalis appreciate these efforts payed by the UK government that is entended to bring different somali parts together to seek lasting and sustainable solution to the problems of this war torn country suffering the last two decades. we presumably know that any positive outcome depend on how the somali politicians respond to these issues in the aforementioned article in one hand, and how the UK administration accomplishes to stand the same distance to the somali different parts attending the conference.
      thanks Mr Matt.