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Leigh Turner

Ambassador to Austria and UK Permanent Representative to the United Nations and other International Organisations in Vienna

Part of Speakers' Corner

8th March 2013

Simone de Beauvoir’s got your number, Slim

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Margaret Thatcher arrives at Number 10 Downing Street 1979

Who said, when consulted on the possibility of women entering the British Diplomatic Service:

“I dare say that the intellectual type of woman, which would presumably be the type to enter the Service, would be as useful as a man in a purely intellectual occupation such as that of junior clerk in the Foreign Office… [However] the value of a diplomatist still largely depends on his success in making “contacts” with other people.  In this regard, the intellectual type of English woman would… be at a disadvantage when dealing with foreigners… For, to put it bluntly, the clever woman would not be liked and the attractive woman would not be taken seriously.”

The answer is the British ambassador to Berne in 1933. You can find his comments, together with those of contemporaries, in the excellent “Women in Diplomacy: the FCO, 1782-1999” (see pages 29ff). Other comments from British ambassadors in 1933 range from the thoughtful to the thuggish.

When I hear people saying that women (or men) can’t do this or that job I’m always reminded of the Simone de Beauvoir quote: “Man is defined as a human being and a woman as a female — whenever she behaves as a human being she is said to imitate the male.”

This is relevant to discussions about gender equality because there is often an assumption that male is somehow a default state. For example, when we look at patterns of work designed originally to suit men with non-working child-rearing spouses (eg 9-5 full-time work, five days a week), the assumption is often made that women must adapt to those patterns rather than that we should all figure out a better pattern.

If you’re interested in these themes you may enjoy my two earlier blogs, Ambassadors in high heels and Ambassadors in high heels heading your way.

The British diplomatic service these days is quite good at all this stuff. For example there are currently two examples of wife-and-husband teams being appointed joint ambassadors in Nicaragua and Costa Rica; and in Armenia. But we clearly need to keep working on this. There is also a load of excellent “GREAT British Women” stuff on our Facebook page; and on our website.

Incidentally I’m not particularly knowledgeable about Simone de Beauvoir, but came across a paraphrase of the quote above in an excellent early 1970s Doonesbury cartoon about a feminist kindergarten teacher talking to the children in her care. A not-very-legible copy of the cartoon is here, including the great punch-line “Simone de Beauvoir’s got your number, Slim.”

Finally, in researching Simone de Beauvoir quotes, I came across this cracker: “No one is more arrogant toward women, more aggressive or scornful, than the man who is anxious about his virility.”

Sounds plausible to me.

About Leigh Turner

I hope you find this blog interesting and, where appropriate, entertaining. My role in Vienna covers the relationship between Austria and the UK as well as the diverse work of…

I hope you find this blog interesting and, where appropriate, entertaining. My role in Vienna covers the relationship between Austria and the UK as well as the diverse work of the UN and other organisations; stories here will reflect that.

About me: I arrived in Vienna in August 2016 for my second posting in this wonderful city, having first served here in the mid-1980s. My previous job was as HM Consul-General and Director-General for Trade and Investment for Turkey, Central Asia and South Caucasus based in Istanbul.

Further back: I grew up in Nigeria, Exeter, Lesotho, Swaziland and Manchester before attending Cambridge University 1976-79. I worked in several government departments before joining the Foreign Office in 1983.

Keen to go to Africa and South America, I’ve had postings in Vienna (twice), Moscow, Bonn, Berlin, Kyiv and Istanbul, plus jobs in London ranging from the EU Budget to the British Overseas Territories.

2002-6 I was lucky enough to spend four years in Berlin running the house, looking after the children (born 1992 and 1994) and doing some writing and journalism.

To return to Vienna as ambassador is a privilege and a pleasure. I hope this blog reflects that.